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SuperManth
30-03-2006, 01:46
Ζόρικη μέρα... Άντε να δούμε τί θα μας ξημερώσει.
Καληνύχτα παίδες και κορασίδες.

DI tourist
30-03-2006, 02:20
Καληνυχτα !!! :sleep: :wavey: :wavey:

Ωραια μερα στη σχολη αλλα με αρκετο τρεξιμο (και λιγο tickball :p )

Παντως οσο μπαινει η ανοιξη κανει τελειες μερες που προδιαθετουν για απειρο αραγμα... :D :D :D
...το θεμα ειναι να βρουμε και το χρονο :confused:

Ενα τραγουδακι γιατι καιρο ειχα να βαλω τπτ... ;-)


ΗΙΜ- Wings Of A Butterfly


Heaven ablaze in our eyes
We're standing still in time
The blood on our hands is the wine
We offer as sacrifice

[Chorus]
Come on, and show them your love
Rip out the wings of a butterfly
For your soul, my love
Rip out the wings of a butterfly
For your soul

This endless mercy mile
We're crawling side by side
With hell freezing over in our eyes
Gods kneel before our crime

[Chorus]
Come on lets show, them your love
Rip out the wings of a butterfly
For your soul, my love
Rip out the wings of a butterfly
For your soul
(Rip out the wings of a butterfly)
Don't let go
(Rip out the wings of a butterfly)
For your soul

[Chorus]
Come on, and show them your love
Rip out the wings of a butterfly
For your soul, my love
Rip out the wings of a butterfly
For your soul
(Rip out the wings of a butterfly)
Don't let go
(Rip out the wings of a butterfly) [x2]

For your soul :sleep:

MayaDeren
30-03-2006, 02:48
Hrthe h wra gia nani.

Ante paidakia nani. Ki oxi msnia...

Egw tha koimhthw na oneireutw enan hlio se ekleipsh. Kai mias kai fwtisthkan ta matakia mou apo thn kaoura tou hliou.

E, mwre skeftomoun na koimhthw kai na balw duo fetes aggouraki sta matia gia therapeia. Afou ebala pou ebala to kits to guali shmera. E de bazw ki ayth thn kitsia...


:cool: :D :p

emufear
30-03-2006, 04:04
Ένας άθλιος σκοπός, ένας γελοίος ρυθμός..

emufear
31-03-2006, 02:24
Εγώ ξανά στο τίποτα
στο γενικά εσύ..

Tythora
31-03-2006, 02:33
Πυξ Λαξ εσυ,
Παπακωνσταντινου εγω...
περιεργη νυχτα.....
Καληνυχτα!!
Αν και λεω να ξενυχτησω λιγο σημερα με μουσικουλα!!

Greg1982
31-03-2006, 02:38
Καληνύχτα μας αδέλφια....
όμορφη και γλυκιά Παρασκευή!!!!! :wavey: :-) :love2: :-) :wavey:

emufear
31-03-2006, 02:39
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από Tythora
Πυξ Λαξ εσυ,
Παπακωνσταντινου εγω...
περιεργη νυχτα.....

Κοσμική νύχτα :-(

poseidonas
31-03-2006, 02:43
Θάλασσες, μέσα στα μάτια σου θάλασσες
και με ταξίδευες, σαν το καράβι κι έλεγες
Θα σ’ αγαπώ με τα καλοκαίρια
με τρικυμίες και με βροχές
με μαξιλάρι τα δυο μου χέρια
θα ονειρεύεσαι ότι θες

sfagmenos
31-03-2006, 02:53
Ειναι ωραια η θαλασσα
γιατι κινειαι παντα
και αν εχεισ βρει πολλεσ στεριεσ
καμια δεν σ'αραζει

Tythora
31-03-2006, 03:03
Μεσοπελαγα αρμενιζω
κι εχω πλωρα τον καημο
κι εχω την αγαπη πρυμα
κι αλμπουρο τον χωρισμο

Θαλασσα μη με διωχνεις μακρια
Χωρισμε μου ματωνεις την καρδια

Μαυρη μοιρα το'χει γραψει
να μακραινω να χαθω
μακρια απο το νησι μου
κι απο κεινη που αγαπω

Θαλασσα μη με διωχνεις μακρια
Χωρισμε μου ματωνεις την καρδια

//κολλητουλα,για σενα,που επιτελους σε πετυχα online και εχουμε το χρονο να μιλησουμε...

DI tourist
31-03-2006, 03:33
Goodnight DI people... :sleep: :wavey:


Μετα απο τρελλο msn-ικο καψιμο παω να την πεσω... :sleep:

Κι επειδη καιρο εχω να ποσταρω τπτ απο Ροδες παρτε να μην ξεχνιομαστε:

Απομυθοποίηση τώρα!

Ενα παιδι καθεται πανω στου ντουνια τη σκεπη
ενα κοριτσι ψαχνει μονο μια γωνια να κρυφτει
ενα αγορακι στο σαλονι και μπροστα απο την T.V.
κι ενα χαμινι στρωνει κατω στο δρομο να κοιμηθει
για να το δει και μπει και βγει απο το ονειρο
μπας κι αποψε ειναι πιο ομορφο
καθρεφτιζεται συμβολικα
το ειδωλο του στα βρωμονερα
Παντα
συνεννοουμαστε κρυφα για τα παντα
κι αντανακλαμε τον κοσμο κυλαμε
σα ροδα παντα
σα ροδα παιζει κι η μπαντα τζαμπα
κι αντε καντε στην μπαντα
ποιηση του δρομου για παντα
δεν ειμαστε ειδωλα καθρεφτες αγαντα
απομυθοποιηση μαγκα
απομυθοποιηση παντα
απομυθοποιηση, φτανει η ωρα
απομυθοποιηση παντα
αμομυθοποιηση τωρα!

Χωρις λογο κι αιτια φτιαχνουμε λογο κι αιτια
δικαιολογια στη βια
το προσωπο μας αυτο δεν ειναι πραγματικο
κατασκευαζουμε γλυπτο τον εατυο τον εικονικο
βασανισμενοι συγχωρουν και γραφουν βιβλια
παπαδοπαιδια προσευχη κανουν τη βια στη βια
στην Τεχερανη καποιοι διαβασαν Λολιτα
με ενα καμμενο διαβατηριο δε διωχνεις τις Η.Π.Α.
τειχος για το τειχος των δακρυων
λιθος για το λιθο των αναμαρτητων
αξονας για τον αξονα της τρομοκρατιας
κοντρα στην κοντρα,
βια στη βια,
της βιας, τη βια, ω βια,
οχι αλλο ρε παιδια!

Απομυθοποιηση τωρα!

Πολεμαμε για φροκαλα
τραγουδαμε για κοκαλα
προστατευουμε με ροπαλα
για να γινουν ολα πιο πολλα
καταναλωνουμε λαφυρα
συζηταμε σε παραθυρα
πολιτευομαστε ακυρα
για να γινουν ολα πιο αυστηρα
μια θολουρα νηφαλια
και μια μυτη πιο αρεια
μια χουντα για ασφαλεια
για να γινουν ολα πιο αγρια.

Απομυθοποιηση τωρα! :wavey:

otto
31-03-2006, 04:08
Πάμε για ύπνο Κατερίνα... :baby:

noiR
31-03-2006, 07:01
Κι όμως, είμαι :D

Greg1982
01-04-2006, 00:39
Καλό μας ξενύχτι λοιπόν.... :D :D :D

TheRapper
01-04-2006, 00:44
δουλείες με φουντες...

καλη δυναμη gregoire (ο πιο πανω γαλλιστη...)

η μερα φευγει ... το ξενυχτι ερχεται

:cool:

:wavey:

noiR
01-04-2006, 00:50
είμαι πολύ συγχυσμένος αυτή τη στιγμή και σορρυ αν γράψω ανακατεμένα, έτυχε κάτι πουθα ήθελα να το πω αλλά δεν ειμαι σίγουρος αν έπρεπε να ανοίξω νέο thread. μένω πατήσια και γύρναγα σπίτι έψαχνα για παρκάρισμα. είδα κάτι σαν αεροπλάνο αλλά να πηγαίνει πάρα πολύ γρήγορα σαν να ήταν μύγα στον ουρανό. είπα σε φάση "χέστο, θα κάνουν παιχνίδια τα μάτια μου". γυρνάω από παρκάρισμα και επειδή μένω πάνω από πλατεία βλέπω καμιά δεκαριά άτομα να κοιτάνε πάνω και έβγαλα την από κάτω φωτογραφία με κινητό. δεν ξέρω ρε γαμώτο τι να υποθέσω, καταλαβαίνετε φαντάζομαι πού το παώ. αυτό είχε ξανατύχει σε ένα φίλο μου το καλοκαίρι. και δεν είναι κάτι που δεν το βλέπεις, φαινόταν παρόλο που έχει πολλά φώτα από ένα γήπεδο κοντά... δεν ξέρω γμτ, και μετά μας λένε στις ειδήσεις για το τι θα φορέσει η βίσση "στη μεγάλη βραδιά" και ούτε αναφορά σε τέτοια πράγματα. ρε σεις, τσεκάρετε και στη περιοχή σας. ελπίζω να μη με πάρετε για τρελαμένο... :confused:

Greg1982
01-04-2006, 00:54
Always look behind you… you we‘re not alone… :wow:

DI tourist
01-04-2006, 00:58
These were the American satellites that keep tracking our moves...!!! :p :p :p

We are not alone :o :D

Kertran
01-04-2006, 01:15
paidia o noir leei alitheia hmoun ki egw mazi tou otan to eidame auto to pragma kai to kalokairi eixa dei ki egw perierga pragmata ston ourano.....ti na pw......apla kati tetoia pragmata se kanoun na anarwtiesai poso alitheia mas lene gia ta panta.....uparxoun exwgihnoi i apla ola auta pou vlepoume kata kairous den einai tipota allo apo tis kainouries uperexeligmenes iptamenes polemikes mixanes oi opoies tha kanoun tin emfanisi tous se 50 xronia apo twra( opws egine kai me to stealth kai ta B52)?


Take care kai pou kai pou rixnete kai kamia matia psila/.....

Tythora
01-04-2006, 01:19
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από Kertran
.....uparxoun exwgihnoi...


Υπαρχουν εξωγηινοι!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :cool:

emufear
01-04-2006, 01:48
Άντε λοιπόν, τη βαρεθήκαμε τη γη..

Kertran
01-04-2006, 01:49
emu pame selini gia kana kafe?

emufear
01-04-2006, 01:50
Ψήνομαι..
Κάτσε να βάλω πέτρες στην τσέπη, να μη πετάω.

Tythora
01-04-2006, 01:52
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
Άντε λοιπόν, τη βαρεθήκαμε τη γη..
Γιατι ρε emu?
Εδω οι εξωγηινοι και δεν την εχουν βαρεθει που υποτιθεται οτι ειναι σε ανωτερο επιπεδο απο μας...
Κατι καλο πρεπει να εχει, κι αν δεν το βλεπουμε, μπορει να το εχει εν δυναμει!

emufear
01-04-2006, 02:07
Τι εννοείς δεν την έχουν βαρεθεί; Πού το ξέρεις; Επίσης που ξέρεις σε τι επίπεδο είναι αυτοί;

Εδώ δεν ξέρουμε σε ποιο επίπεδο είμαστε εμείς.. "Το μέλλον είναι ήδη εδώ" είχε πει κάποιος.

Πάντως, όντως, την ψιλο-αδικώ τη γη, χωρίς να φταίει αυτή για τα πακέτα που τρώω. Για του λόγου το αληθές..

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3916/765/1600/By%20the%20Sea2.jpg

Κι όμως ίσως σε άλλο πλανήτη πλησιάσουμε περισσότερο την αλήθεια. Who knows?

Έχω μέρη και στη γη ακόμα να δω.. Χρόνο δεν έχω, ίσως όμως κερδίσουμε λίγο χρόνο σε άλλο πλανήτη, ποιος ξέρει;

Ziko
01-04-2006, 02:13
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear

Έχω μέρη και στη γη ακόμα να δω.. Χρόνο δεν έχω, ίσως όμως κερδίσουμε λίγο χρόνο σε άλλο πλανήτη, ποιος ξέρει;

O μονος που ξερει ειναι ο Λιακοπουλος!Ψηφιστε τον στις εκλογες που κατεβαινει για να μας παει στην πατριδα μας τον Σειριο!!!

Tythora
01-04-2006, 02:15
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
Τι εννοείς δεν την έχουν βαρεθεί; Πού το ξέρεις; Επίσης που ξέρεις σε τι επίπεδο είναι αυτοί;

Εδώ δεν ξέρουμε σε ποιο επίπεδο είμαστε εμείς.. "Το μέλλον είναι ήδη εδώ" είχε πει κάποιος.

Πάντως, όντως, την ψιλο-αδικώ τη γη, χωρίς να φταίει αυτή για τα πακέτα που τρώω. Για του λόγου το αληθές..

Κι όμως ίσως σε άλλο πλανήτη πλησιάσουμε περισσότερο την αλήθεια. Who knows?

Έχω μέρη και στη γη ακόμα να δω.. Χρόνο δεν έχω, ίσως όμως κερδίσουμε λίγο χρόνο σε άλλο πλανήτη, ποιος ξέρει;

Κατ'αρχας εκανα περισσοτερο πλακα εγω οταν ελεγα οτι δεν την εχουν βαρεθει ή οτι ειναι σε πιο πανω επιπεδο. (Οχι,emufear,αν προσπαθεις να με ψαρεψεις τι ξερω,οχι,δεν θα πω τιποτα,θα θολωσω τα νερα...! :D :D )
Περα ομωςαπο την πλακα,ο χρονος λειπει και δεν ειναι οτι θα βρουμε χρονο σε αλλον πλανητη,αλλα σε αλλη κοινωνια οπου τα νιατα θα ειναι πιο σημαντικη ηλικια απο τα γηρατεια για τα οποια παλευουμε ολοι να εξασφαλισουμε...
Με γνωσεις,πιο πολλες γνωσεις,παραπανω γνωσεις,
για μια καλη δουλεια,πιο καλη δουλεια,καταπληκτικη δουλεια,
με χρηματα που θα μπορουν να μας ζησουν,πιο πολλα χρηματα που θα μας προσφερουν ανετη ζωη,ακομα πιο πολλα χρηματα ωστε να μπορουμε να πληρωσουμε εμεις την κηδεια μας ή την αποκλειστικη που θας μας προσεχει...
creepy,αλλα καταλαβαινεις φανταζομαι που το παω...
Εμεις φταιμε για ολα!

Master_User
01-04-2006, 02:28
Γιατι ρε emu?
Εδω οι εξωγηινοι και δεν την εχουν βαρεθει που υποτιθεται οτι ειναι σε ανωτερο επιπεδο απο μας...
Κατι καλο πρεπει να εχει, κι αν δεν το βλεπουμε, μπορει να το εχει εν δυναμει!


AAAAaaaa ou ou ou oci oci eimaste piramatozoa aaaahhh aahhh, skotoste ta pontikia na min mas kanoun allo piramate aaaaaah nai nai, kill em all aaaah olla ta aspra pontkia ... seek and Destroy. $killall :p. Kai se alous plaites ti 8a kanis 8a girnas petres na bris kane zontano apo silifonio ?. Kane edo an 8es kane kanena astriko taksidi prota na dis ti a8loi pou einai h alooi planited

Tythora
01-04-2006, 02:31
καλα,αυριο ο υπολοιπος παραλογισμος,παω για υπνο!
Καληνυχτα!

//edit για τους στιχους μου!!
What’ll you do when you get lonely
No one waiting by your side?
You’ve been running and hiding much too long.
You know it’s just your foolish pride.

Layla, you’ve got me on my knees.
Layla, I’m begging, darling please.
Layla, darling won’t you ease my worried mind.

I tried to give you consolation
When your old man had let you down.
Like a fool, I fell in love with you,
Turned my whole world upside down.

Let’s make the best of the situation
Before I finally go insane.
Please don’t say we’ll never find a way
And tell me all my love’s in vain.

thanx love radio που μου θυμισες αυτο το τραγουδι!

TheRapper
01-04-2006, 02:42
ρε σεις ο Χαρδαβελας ειναι αυριο...

τι παθατε ????


ματαιωτης ματαιωτητων τα παντα ματαιωτης σε τουτο τον αλλοπροσαλο
κοσμο

ELVIS IS BACK

τσε τις μπαααααααααααααααλες ...
farewell life


:D :D :D

// edit: goodnight tythora - sweet milky-way dreams

// edit: Emu still awake????

emufear
01-04-2006, 02:42
Καθόλου χρήματα..
Σωστά αυτά που λες, απλά μπορεί στον άλλο πλανήτη να είναι καλύτερα (ή και χειρότερα).

Επίσης ο χρόνος με λιγότερη βαρύτητα περνά πιο αργά (σχετικότητα κι έτσι), γι αυτό τον ανέφερα..

Νύχτες μας..

Tythora
01-04-2006, 02:49
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
Καθόλου χρήματα..
Σωστά αυτά που λες, απλά μπορεί στον άλλο πλανήτη να είναι καλύτερα (ή και χειρότερα).

Επίσης ο χρόνος με λιγότερη βαρύτητα περνά πιο αργά (σχετικότητα κι έτσι), γι αυτό τον ανέφερα..

Νύχτες μας..

αυτο που λεω,ειναι να μην ονειρευομαστε τοσο για αλλους πλανητες και να κοιταξουμε λιγο τι μπορουμε να κανουμε εδω,σε αυτο που μας δωθηκε...
οχι θεωριες,πραξεις....
right?

ουφ...
το κουρασα μαλλον....
Εγκαταλειπω!

Και ναι,υπαρχουν εξωγηινοι! ;-)
Και κυκλοφορουν αναμεσα μας! ;-) ;-)

emufear
01-04-2006, 02:52
Κι εγώ των πράξεων είμαι, και μάλιστα μέμφομαι όσους γκρινιάζουν μονάχα, απλά είναι κάποιες στιγμές που δεν αντέχεις άλλο και θες και εσύ να τα παρατήσεις..

To blossom blue, is to blossom without you.......

Δεν το κούρασες πάντως

Tythora
01-04-2006, 02:59
παρε τοτε αυτο....να το εχεις μοτο στη ζωη σου!
"Λες κουραστηκες,
δεν μπορεις πια να μαθαινεις καινουρια
Πολυ καιρο αγωνιστηκες
Δεν μπορεις αλλο πια να αγωνιστεις
Ακου λοιπον:
ειτε φταις ειτε οχι σαν δεν μπορεις
αλλο να παλεψεις θα γονατισεις
Λες πολυ καιρο ελπιζες
Ελπιζες τι? Πως ο αγωνας θα'ναι ευκολος?
Δεν ειναι ετσι
η θεση μας ειναι χειροτερη απ'οσο νομιζες
Ειναι τετοια που αν δεν καταφερουμε
το αδυνατο,δεν εχουμε ελπιδα
Οι εχθροι μας περιμενουν να κουραστουμε
Οι κουρασμενοι χανουν τη μαχη"
Μπερτολντ Μπρεχτ

Καληνυχτα σε ολους!

/*RaDioHeAD*\
01-04-2006, 03:02
Μιας και πιασατε τετοια συζητηση να σας αποχαιρετισω με ενα αναλογο "νοσταλγικο" τραγουδακι.. :-)



Radiohead - Subterranean Homesick Alien

The breath of the morning
I keep forgetting
The smell of the warm summer air

I live in a town
Where you can't smell a thing
You watch your feet
For cracks in the pavement

Up above
Aliens hover
Making home movies
For the folks back home

Of all these weird creatures
Who lock up their spirits
Drill holes in themselves
And live for their secrets

They're all uptight
Uptight..

I wish that they'd swoop down in a country lane
Late at night when I'm driving
Take me on board their beautiful ship
Show me the world as I'd love to see it

I'd tell all my friends
But they'd never believe
They'd think that I'd finally lost it completely

I'd show them the stars
And the meaning of life
They'd shut me away
But I'd be all right
All right..

I'm just uptight...
Uptight........


Καληνυχτα σε ολους... :wavey:


Καληνυχτα σε μια ψυχουλα που κοιμαται... ;-) :-) :-)

emufear
01-04-2006, 03:08
Σωστός ο Μπρεχτ... :-)

Να 'σαι καλά ρε Tythora, θέλω και λίγο χρόνο για να παλέψω περισσότερο. Ποιος πουλά λίγο χρόνο;

Τόσο έχω χαρίσει εγώ..

Καληνύχτα σε όλους

//ελεεινό πρωταπριλιάτικο noiR :p

TheRapper
01-04-2006, 03:34
καληνυχτες

@: Symos®, wallace, asteroid, emufear, coleman, LL_cool_T, Tythora, JozeF, mitsaras, Sorreah, Bebis, Scorpio, Theio_Vrefos, understracker, i_p, feliz, raintear

Και ενα τραγουδακι:
***********************
Feel - Robbie Williams

Come and hold my hand
I wanna contact the living
Not sure I understand
This role I've been given

I sit and talk to God
And he just laughs at my plans
My head speaks a language
I don't understand

I just want to feel real love
Fill the home that I live in
'Cause I got too much life
Running through my veins
Going to waste

I don't want to die
But I ain't keep on living either
Before I fall in love
I'm preparing to leave her
I scare myself to death
That's why I keep on running
Before I've arrived
I can see myself coming

I just want to feel real love
Fill the home that I live in
'Cause I got too much life
Running through my veins
Going to waste
And I need to feel real love
And a life ever after
I cannot give it up

I just want to feel real love
Fill the home that I live in
I got too much love
Running through my veins
To go to waste

I just wanna feel real love
In a life ever after
There's a hole in my soul
You can see it in my face
It's a real big place

Come and hold my hand
I want to contact the living
Not sure I understand
This role I've been given
Not sure I understand
Not sure I understand
***********************

:blush: :love2: :sleep:

//edit: ρε ακουσα οτι στην λεωφορο αλεξανδρας εθεαθη γιγαντια ταραντουλα
και βγηκε εκτακτο δελτιο ειδησεων ... η χωρα και ο στρατος σε γενικη επιφυλακη... σιγα μωρε μια ταραντουλα βγηκε τσαρκα 4 το πρωι...

PS1: προσοχη αυριο ...και τις ταραντουλες ... τους εξωγηινους και τα ΟΥΦΟ
τσε τισ μπαλες...

:D :D

Dj Cool - T
01-04-2006, 03:47
re gmt protaprilia kai ego na eimai se teoia fasi.... :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

ade kalinihta se opoion to ksenihtaei kai se opoion ehei paei gia ipno :-)

†PiCoMiKe†
01-04-2006, 04:22
Kalhmera kai kalo mhna na exoume!!

Άν δεν γεννηθείς αστέρι, η ζωή πως περιμένεις να σε ξέρει?
Άν δεν γεννηθείς Βοριάς, πώς θα διώξεις τα σκοτάδια της καρδιάς?
Άν δεν γεννηθείς αστέρι, η ζωή πως περιμένεις να σε ξέρει?
Άν δεν γεννηθείς φωτιά, πώς θα μένει στάχτη πίσω σου η βραδυά?

Vghke kai to dokimastiko prog stis vaseis!!
->vaseis (http://cgi.di.uoa.gr/~std04153/Welcome.html)

:love2:

noiR
01-04-2006, 12:06
Καλημέρα, χαιρετισμούς από το Σίμο! (Δεν ξέρω από πού ξεφύτρωσε, τον βρήκα στη μπανιέρα να απορροφά σταγονίδια με την περίεργη συσκευή στο χέρι του. Μετά τα χτεσινοβραδυνά όμως τίποτα δε μου κάνει πια εντύπωση. Το απόγευμα θα πάμε για Κa-Φε, ένα υγρό που μου είπε ότι φτιάχνουν από το προϊόν της βακτηριδιακής αποικοδόμησης των fungi Νεs-Tλe - τρέχα γύρευε δηλαδή, πάλι με δηλητηρίαση με κόβω...)

Dj Cool - T
02-04-2006, 05:12
Ena ksenihti apopse na pernaei h ora.............. :D :D :D :D

Avrio omos.... prepei na arhiso ta tilefona sto The Mall gia na do an vrikan to portofoli mou :-( paketo......

emufear
02-04-2006, 06:28
Ω ρε φίλε πακέτο..

Fuck The Mall
Fuck Them All (αν δε στο βρούνε)

Just got home λοιπόν...
It's a wild world, ain't it? :sleep:

TheRapper
02-04-2006, 11:26
και εσυ ...??? τι εγινε ρε παιδια... ουτε συννενοημενοι να μασταν... (αλλους 6 ειδα ..φορουμικη επι τοπου...στο village)


τεσπα...

οντως πακετο dj

καλημερουδια....

Dj Cool - T
03-04-2006, 03:56
[V4V SPOILER]


kala ti ginete ra paidia????? :mad:

monos mou tha postaro???

Lew simera na to pao kateftheian di.... Variemai na koimitho :p

btw to portofoli vrethike :-)
Pira 3 tilefona. Ta 2 itan aftomatoi tilefonites. To 3o itan to geniko eksipiretisis pelaton ton village. Mou apadise ena securitas o opoios mou eipe oti einai kainourgios ka iden borei na me voithisei. Na ksanaparo avrio gia na miliso me tin armodia... (@@)

De gamietai lew. THA GYRISO STON TOPO TOU EGLHMATOS :-)

Mazevo to kouragio mou kai ksekinao ton makri dromo Vari - Plakedias!!!!
Meta apo polioro taksidi (leoforeio(0 lepta anamoni)-metro(3 lepta)-metro(12 lepta)-proastiako(30 lepta!)) ftano sto mall!!!
Pao se ena tameio, tous lew to kai to. Kalei ena securita o opoios me odigei se ena ipogeio. Ekei me arpazoun 5 bravoi me touloumiazoun sto ksilo, mou ksirizoun to kefali kai me rihnoun se ena keli.
Meta apo poli ora erhetai enas tipos tou opoiou tin fatsa den borousa na do kai arhise na me anakrinei gia ta whereabouts tou Mickey Mouse.
Ego adistathika sthenara!!! Min ehodas loipon ti na me kanoun me katadikasan na ksanagiriso spiti mou me tis dimosies siginonies!!! :o :o:o DEATH!!!

Den mou emene alli epilogi apo to na dehto :-(
Kai tote apo mihanis theos erhetai ena minima apo ton radiohead pou mou leei na ertho argiroupoli.
Tous leo loipon oti prepei na figo giati me perimenoun, mou dinoun to portofoli mou kai tin ekana...

[kapsimoooooo]

ksehasa na po oti telika to ipogeio afto pou me pigan itan to spiti tou Gravedigger o opoios den ksero ti rolo varaei stin istoria afti :D

[/V4V SPOILER]

TheRapper
03-04-2006, 03:58
νυχτες καλες ...

τα λεμε αυριο

sweet dreams@ druid, noiR, SuperManth, Thinking Man, Sub!im3, Austin, Moses, frapes_drinker, Tythora, JozeF, Link, preacher man, Bebis, lebiathan, T.L., di::blue, Trelos7

*********************
Chris de Burgh - Sailing away

Waiting at the water's edge
Watching all the ships as they are heading for the harbour wall
I was just a boy, I was just a boy
Dreaming of the wide world, dreaming of the wide world
Watching as they disappear
Reading out the names of all the places I have never been
Looking out to sea, staring out to sea,
Dreaming of a wide world, dreaming of the wide world
I wish I was sailing away, sailing away,
Sailing away, with you tonight, with you tonight
Walking down another street
Underneath the red lights, I am watching where the shadows fall
Looking at the girls, listening to the girls
Dreaming of a new world, dreaming of that new world
I wish I was sailing away, sailing away,
Sailing away, in your arms tonight,
In your arms tonight
I wish I was sailing away, sailing away,
Sailing away, with you now, with you now...

***************************

sailing away to my drerams
hoping they ll come true with
you by my side
.... you will never know
.....time will tell
....all we need is hope
....love and tender.


:blush:
:sleep:

Link
03-04-2006, 04:14
Τι ελλεηνό και τρισάθλιο είναι το Visual Studio. Μετά από κάμποσα χρόνια(από την εποχή της δεύτερης beta του visual studio.net...) έπεσε στα χέρια μου το Visual Studio 2005. Μετά από μια ώρα δοκιμής διαπίστωσα ότι είναι το ίδιο τραγικό με τους προκατόχους του, χάσιμο χρόνου δηλαδή. Και βέβαια μαζί με το uninstall το dvd του βρήκε την χρησιμότητα του στο ρόλο του freesbie. Borland C++ Builder +WinAPI rule για windows programming. Και KDevelop για console...

Καλυνύχτα... :o :o

Tythora
03-04-2006, 04:18
Να'σαι καλα ρε Dj με (ξανα)εκανες και γελασα!!
Χαχαχαχα...
Θεικο!!

Αντε,νανι τωρα,save your energy ppl!

Καληνυχτες απο τις Tythores!!
(αυτο για οσους με βλεπουν διπλη/τριπλη/πολλαπλη και δεν ξερω τι πινουν τελικα!)

Ζαρμαcookies
03-04-2006, 04:22
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από Tythora

Καληνυχτες απο τις Tythores!!
(αυτο για οσους με βλεπουν διπλη/τριπλη/πολλαπλη και δεν ξερω τι πινουν τελικα!)

to travas...kai min peis dn pigaine se mena.. :confused:

Tythora
03-04-2006, 04:24
Σε σενα πηγαινε!!
Και το τραβαω γιατι με ενοχλησε αυτο που ειπες!

//σβησε κανενα pm..

Morgoth
03-04-2006, 07:32
Πώς καταλαβαίνεις ότι είσαι τελείως καμένος με τα ξενύχτια; Παρατηρώντας ότι στο MSN είσαι on-line μόνο εσύ, άλλο ένα άτομο με το οποίο μιλάς και η Encarta :D, καθώς και αντικρίζοντας αυτή την εικόνα:

SuperManth
03-04-2006, 08:33
Πως καταλαβαίνεις ότι έχεις fucked up βιολογικό ρολόι??? Όταν πέφτεις πτώμα για ύπνο στις 4:30, ξυπνάς στις 7:30 και δεν σε παίρνει ο ύπνος με τίποτα...

Greg1982
04-04-2006, 01:23
Καλό μας βράδυ! εύχομαι σε όλου όσουν έχουν μια μπερδεμένη και ανάστατη ζωή τον τελευταίο καιρό...να βρούμε την άκρη μας... το φως πάντως έχει αρχίσει να φωτίζει επιτέλους για εμένα!!!! επιτέλους... free as a bird!

:wavey: :-) :love2: :-) :wavey:

... να αγαπάμε όλο τον κόσμο ... δεν φταίει αυτός, εμείς φταίμε για ό,τι μας συμβαίνει ... είναι στο χέρι μας να φτιάξουμε τα πράγματα...


...ΚΑΛΗΜΕΡΑ ΜΑΣ!!!!!! :-) :-) :-)

DI tourist
04-04-2006, 01:26
Καληνυχτα :sleep: :wavey: :wavey:

Καιρο ειχα να τιμησω το θρεντ!!!

Τωρα αμα γραψω παλι τπτ στιχους θα πλακωσουν Radio και λοιποι και θα με πουνε Τακη [και δεν καταλαβαινω και γιατι?] :p

Οποτε δε λεω τπτ, αλλωστε
Victory is SO mine!!! :D :D :D :blush:

Dj Cool - T
04-04-2006, 02:11
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από Greg1982
Καλό μας βράδυ! εύχομαι σε όλου όσουν έχουν μια μπερδεμένη και ανάστατη ζωή τον τελευταίο καιρό...να βρούμε την άκρη μας... το φως πάντως έχει αρχίσει να φωτίζει επιτέλους για εμένα!!!! επιτέλους... free as a bird!

:wavey: :-) :love2: :-) :wavey:

... να αγαπάμε όλο τον κόσμο ... δεν φταίει αυτός, εμείς φταίμε για ό,τι μας συμβαίνει ... είναι στο χέρι μας να φτιάξουμε τα πράγματα...

:-) :-) :-) makari file.......

ade kalinihta se olous....... :wavey:

lebiathan
04-04-2006, 02:23
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από Greg1982
Καλό μας βράδυ! εύχομαι σε όλου όσουν έχουν μια μπερδεμένη και ανάστατη ζωή τον τελευταίο καιρό...να βρούμε την άκρη μας... το φως πάντως έχει αρχίσει να φωτίζει επιτέλους για εμένα!!!! επιτέλους... free as a bird!

:wavey: :-) :love2: :-) :wavey:

... να αγαπάμε όλο τον κόσμο ... δεν φταίει αυτός, εμείς φταίμε για ό,τι μας συμβαίνει ... είναι στο χέρι μας να φτιάξουμε τα πράγματα...


...ΚΑΛΗΜΕΡΑ ΜΑΣ!!!!!! :-) :-) :-)

Looking out at the rain
Looking in through the storm.
Treading the waves,
Come in from harm.
How could you regret your other words ...
Hoping for thrills - free as a bird ...

Tythora
04-04-2006, 02:33
And now I sit here I’m all alone
So here sits a bloody mess, tears fly home
A circle of angels, deep in war
’cos I wanted you

Weak as I am, no tears for you
---

So give me strength,
to face this test of mine
---

there are rooms in this house that I don't open anymore
dusty books of pictures on the floor
that she will never see
she'll never see that part of me
i want to be for her
what i could never be for you

Καληνυχτα!

otto
04-04-2006, 02:41
Μια μεγάλη καληνύχτα και από μένα! :-)


Η ενδεκάτη εντολή

Στίχοι: Νίκος Γκάτσος
Μουσική: Γιώργος Χατζηνάσιος
Ερμηνεύτρια: Νανά Μούσχουρη


Ρίξ' ένα βλέμμα σιωπηλό
στον κόσμο τον αμαρτωλό
και δες η γη πως καίει.
Και με το χέρι στην καρδιά
αν δε σ' αγγίξει η πυρκαγιά,
ψάξε να βρεις ποιος φταίει.

Σα χαμοπούλι ταπεινό
που δεν εγνώρισ' ουρανό
και περπατάει στο χώμα,
την ενδεκάτη εντολή
δεν την σεβάστηκες πολύ
γι' αυτό πονάς ακόμα.

Την ενδεκάτη εντολή
δεν την σεβάστηκες πολύ
γι' αυτό πονάς ακόμα.

Είναι καινούργια και παλιά
σαν της ψυχής την αντηλιά,
σαν της καρδιάς τα βάθη.
Μα μες του κόσμου τη φωτιά
που μπερδευτήκαν τα χαρτιά
κανείς δε θα τη μάθει.

Τράβα να βρεις τον Μωυσή
και ξαναρώτατον κι εσύ
μήπως αυτός την ξέρει
την ενδεκάτη εντολή
που 'ν' ολοκάθαρο γυαλί
και κοφτερό μαχαίρι.

Την ενδεκάτη εντολή
που 'ν' ολοκάθαρο γυαλί
και κοφτερό μαχαίρι.

Στην παγωμένη σου ερημιά
το γέλιο γίνεται ζημιά
κι η ομορφιά σκοτάδι.
Έτσι είναι φίλε μου η ζωή
φέρνει τον ήλιο το πρωί
την καταχνιά το βράδυ.

Κάνε λοιπόν υπομονή
τώρα που φως δεν θα φανεί
κι ούτε θα 'ρθει καράβι.
Την ενδεκάτη εντολή
την ξέρουν μόνο οι τρελοί
κι όλοι της γης οι σκλάβοι.

Την ενδεκάτη εντολή
την ξέρουν μόνο οι τρελοί
κι όλοι της γης οι σκλάβοι.

Love each other, people. :love2:

noiR
04-04-2006, 03:20
Gone, long gone
Blink and I'll be gone, gone, gone
Leave this world of wrong, wrong, wrong
Leave it far behind

And although my secret's gone
I'll try to carry on
If I must, I'll get along
Without you

Gone, long gone
Leave this world of wrong, wrong, wrong
Beyond the pale, beyond the dawn
Flee these mortal bonds

No one knows I can't be wrong
Still I sing the same old song
I tried to be strong
For you

Why have you left me
Amongst the tall trees?
I know I gave her all I had

And I tied her heart in ribbons
Tied her heart in ribbons
Tied her heart in ribbons
And bows

And I'm gone
Oh yes, I'm gone

And I'm lost without you
I'm lost within you
And I'm gone
So gone
Long gone

emufear
04-04-2006, 03:51
Κι ο χρόνος κυλά και με σκαλίτσα... δεν το γλυτώνεις το χρόνο, αυτός φταίει τελικά για όλα..

understracker
04-04-2006, 04:54
Βάσεις οεο βάσεις οέο και σε συνδυασμό με NFS MW και msn την χάσαμε την μπάλα και απόψε... Άντε καλημέρα di... :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

DI tourist
05-04-2006, 02:10
Goodnight ppl :sleep: :wavey:

Και μια τραγουδαρα για καληνυχτα, σε ολους γενικοτερα...και ειδικοτερα ;-)

H.I.M. -Join me in death

Baby join me in death
Baby join me in death
Baby join me in death

We are so young
Our lives have just begun
But already we’re considering
Escape from this world

And we’ve waited for so long
For this moment to come
Was so anxious to be together
Together in death

Won’t you die tonight for love
Baby join me in death
Won’t you die
Baby join me in death
Won’t you die tonight for love
Baby join me in death

This world is a cruel place
And we’re here only to lose
So before live tears us apart let
Death bless me with you

Won’t you die tonight for love
Baby join me in death
Won’t you die
Baby join me in death
Won’t you die tonight for love
Baby join me in death

This live ain’t worth living
This live ain’t worth living
This live ain’t worth living
This live ain’t worth living

Won’t you die tonight for love
Baby join me in death
Won’t you die
Baby join me in death
Won’t you die tonight for love
Baby join me in death

Baby join me in death :blush: :sleep:

/*RaDioHeAD*\
05-04-2006, 02:24
Και από μενα ενα τραγουδι για καληνυχτα, σε ολους γενικοτερα...και ειδικοτερα στον απο πανω :-) :-) :-)





Χάρης&Πάνος Κατσιμίχας - Ρίτα Ρι-Τάκη

Παλεύει το ποτάμι στη θάλασσα να βγει
κι ο ποιητής γυρεύει τη μούσα του να βρει
το κύμα ψάχνει να 'βρει την άκρη του γιαλού
κι εγώ γυρεύω εσένανε εσένανε που μ' έστησες ξανά στο ραντεβού

Εψαχνα να 'βρω τον μπελά μου και τελικά τον βρήκα
και πήγα και αγάπησα ένα μωρό τη Ρίτα
Ρίτα 18 χρονών κι εγώ 45
Ρίτα εσύ 'σαι στην αρχή κι εγώ στο παρα πέντε

Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη κανένα δε φοβάσαι
Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη τίποτα δε θυμάσαι
Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη απόψε πού κοιμάσαι

Μου το 'χες πει πολλές φορές ότι δε μ' αγαπούσες
συγγνώμη δεν κατάλαβα ότι το εννοούσες
γι' αυτό λοιπόν σε χαιρετώ και φεύγω δίχως λόγια
με το κεφάλι μου ψηλά και την ψυχή στα πόδια

Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη κανένα δε φοβάσαι
Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη τίποτα δε θυμάσαι
Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη απόψε πού κοιμάσαι



;-) ;-) ;-)


[ :D :p :D :p ]

Greg1982
05-04-2006, 02:24
Καλό μας βράδυ, καλή δύναμη στα παιδιά αυριο στις εκλογές...
... και ξανθούλα μου ... :love2:

:wavey: :-) :wavey:

otto
05-04-2006, 02:31
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από /*RaDioHeAD*\
Και από μενα ενα τραγουδι για καληνυχτα, σε ολους γενικοτερα...και ειδικοτερα στον απο πανω :-) :-)





Χάρης&Πάνος Κατσιμίχας - Ρίτα Ρι-Τάκη

Παλεύει το ποτάμι στη θάλασσα να βγει
κι ο ποιητής γυρεύει τη μούσα του να βρει
το κύμα ψάχνει να 'βρει την άκρη του γιαλού
κι εγώ γυρεύω εσένανε εσένανε που μ' έστησες ξανά στο ραντεβού

Εψαχνα να 'βρω τον μπελά μου και τελικά τον βρήκα
και πήγα και αγάπησα ένα μωρό τη Ρίτα
Ρίτα 18 χρονών κι εγώ 45
Ρίτα εσύ 'σαι στην αρχή κι εγώ στο παρα πέντε

Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη κανένα δε φοβάσαι
Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη τίποτα δε θυμάσαι
Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη απόψε πού κοιμάσαι

Μου το 'χες πει πολλές φορές ότι δε μ' αγαπούσες
συγγνώμη δεν κατάλαβα ότι το εννοούσες
γι' αυτό λοιπόν σε χαιρετώ και φεύγω δίχως λόγια
με το κεφάλι μου ψηλά και την ψυχή στα πόδια

Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη κανένα δε φοβάσαι
Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη τίποτα δε θυμάσαι
Ρίτα Ρι-τάκη απόψε πού κοιμάσαι



;-) ;-) ;-)


[ :D :p :D :p ] respect:D

emufear
05-04-2006, 02:52
Άλλη μια γλυκιά ύπαρξη που χάνεται σε ένα μεταμεσονύχτιο τρόλευ.. Γιατί ρε γμτ; Τι να πεις.. I guess that's life. Ελπίζω τώρα να ξεκουράζεται και να ονειρεύεται κάτι από ότι δεν έζησε σήμερα από το Σύνταγμα στο Αελλώ..

Ες αύριον τα σπουδαία λοιπόν. Καληνύχτες και είθε την αυριανή μέρα να επιδείξουμε όλοι μας πολιτικό πολιτισμό!

:wavey:

Dj Cool - T
05-04-2006, 03:14
Na borousa kai ego na koimitho....

Alla thelo na eimai sigouros oti avrio tha ehoume mousiki opote ksenihtao...

btw... PSHFISTE "DJ COOL - T" :D :D :D

Tythora
05-04-2006, 03:24
καληνυχτα παιδια!
καλη επιτυχια αυριο!
(λλλλλλιγο θελλλλλλει ακομη να μειννννννει ξυπνννννιο το μυαλο μου και δεν θα τη παλευω μετα!)

Theio_Vrefos
05-04-2006, 03:48
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
Άλλη μια γλυκιά ύπαρξη που χάνεται σε ένα μεταμεσονύχτιο τρόλευ.. Γιατί ρε γμτ; Τι να πεις.. I guess that's life. Ελπίζω τώρα να ξεκουράζεται και να ονειρεύεται κάτι από ότι δεν έζησε σήμερα από το Σύνταγμα στο Αελλώ..

Ες αύριον τα σπουδαία λοιπόν. Καληνύχτες και είθε την αυριανή μέρα να επιδείξουμε όλοι μας πολιτικό πολιτισμό!

:wavey:


de pisteuw na itan i mavroula :p:p:p
e? :blush: :blush: :blush:

TheRapper
05-04-2006, 03:52
Καληνυχτες στους παραπανω Vrefos, Tythora, Dj, Otto, Emuf, radio & DiTourist και ονειρα γλυκα!

και ενα τραγουδακι
*******************************
Chris de Burgh - Fire on the water

When I touch you I can feel you shivering
I can feel your heart is beating fast
We are alone in this crowded room
Oh tonight there is something happening
And it's something that should never be
But there's a flame over you and me

And I can see the fire on water
I can see the light shining in your eyes
I know that I can't stop it now
'Cos I've been caught in the heat of the sun...

There's a place and an ancient fortress
High above the worries of the world
I'd love you there for a long, long time
And we'll discover all our deepest secrets
And let the spirit go flying free
Until the dawn breaks over the sea

It's burning like fire on the water
I can see the light shining in your eyes
I know that I can't stop it now
'Cos I've been caught in the heat of the sun
Yes I've been caught in the heat of the sun
Oh let it shine on me
And I can see the fire on the water
I can see the light shining in your eyes
I know that I can't stop it now
'Cos I've been caught in the heat of the sun
Yes I've been caught in the heat of the sun
Oh let it shine on me
And I can see the fire on the water
Can't stop it now...
*******************************

παραπανω γλυκες.... και βασεις 1 τα λεμε αυριο...

:blush:
:tounge:

:sleep:

//edit: να μην μεινουν αλλοι παραπονεμενοι...goodnights @ SuperManth, Forin, O Germanos, XANIA-DYNAMH,Volcano
και το εχω και ...τυψεις..!!

Dj Cool - T
05-04-2006, 05:42
Teleiosa.............
OLH mou i mousiki einai perasmeni se 6 DVDs me kapoia ipotipodi organosi...

Kai tora tithetai to erotima? Na koimitho kamia oritsa? H na to pao kateftheian gia di???? :sleep:

Dj Cool - T
06-04-2006, 02:14
Kai apadao ston eafto mou... KATEFTHEIAN DI!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o

to ipologisa: 36 makria apo to krevati mou!!!! Me sozoun oi TRIkouvertoi ipnoi pou eriksa sta leoforeia!!!! Pleon kimamai pio poli se afta ap' oti sto spiti mou!!!! :-)

gggggggggggggnight !!!! :wavey: :wavey:

TheRapper
06-04-2006, 03:11
Τα λεμε αυριο..με c, casting in c, pointer arithmetic... klp..

goodnights to u all

no song for today ...

bye bye forums.di.uoa.gr

:sleep:

DI tourist
07-04-2006, 01:54
Καληνυχτα σε ολους!!! Ας ληξει καποτε το εκλογικο θριλλερ στο DI!
...and justice for all :D


Και για να μην παραμελουμε το κλιμα του θρεντ, να κι ενα τραγουδακι...

"Razorblade Kiss - Η.Ι.Μ."

I taste death in every kiss we share
Every sundown seems to be the last we have
Your breath on my skin has the scent of our end
I'm drunk on your tears, Baby, can't you see it's hurting

Mmhhh mmmhhhh

Every time we touch we get closer to heaven
And at every sunrise our sins are forgiven
Uh.uh
You on my skin this must be the end
The only way you can love me ist to hurt me again
And again
And again
And again

Your love is a razorblade kiss
Sweetest is the taste from your lips
Your love is a razorblade kiss
Sweetest is the taste from your lips

Oh the taste from your lips, my Darling
Taste from your lips, oh my Love

Only inside I'm free
I'm tired of waiting
You've got to let me dream
Inside Baby
I'm not afraid to feel
I want your to love me
Cause you are the one
Cause you are the one
Cause you are the one

Your love is a razorblade kiss
Sweetest is the taste from your lips
Your love is a razorblade kiss
Sweetest is the taste from your lips

Your love is a razorblade kiss
Sweetest is the taste from your lips
Your love is a razorblade kiss
Sweetest is the taste from your lips

See ya around... :sleep: :wavey:

emufear
07-04-2006, 03:14
It's nothing like to us what love meant to them...

It's up to you from now on babe..

YoMa-Sensei
07-04-2006, 04:57
SEE-SAW - ANNA NI ISSHO DATTA NO NI FTWWWWW!!!111~

anna ni issho datta no ni yuugure wa mou chigau iro arifureta yasashisa wa kimi wo toozakeru dake tsumetaku kirisuteta kokoro wa samayou bakari sonna kakkowarusa ga ikiru to iu koto nara samuzora no shita me wo tojite iyou

anna ni issho datta no ni
kotoba hitotsu tooranai kasoku shiteiku senaka ni ima wa
anna ni issho datta no ni yuugure wa mou chigau iro
semete kono tsukiakari no shita de shizuka na nemuri wo

unmei to umaku tsukiatte iku nara kitto
kanashii toka sabishii nante itte rarenai
nando mo tsunagatta kotoba wo muryoku ni shite mo
taikutsu na yoru wo tsubushitainda ne

anna ni issho datta no ni
fuzoroi na futari ni ima tadoritsukeru basho nado nainda
anna ni issho datta no ni hajimete au yokogao ni
fushigi na kurai ni miserareteru tomadou kurai ni

kokoro wa doko ni iru? doko ni fukarete iru? sono hitomi ga mayowanu you ni

anna ni issho datta no ni
kotoba hitotsu tooranai ugoki hajimeta kimi no jounetsu
anna ni issho datta no ni yuugure wa mou chigau iro
semete kono tsukiakari no shita de shizuka na nemuri wo


Και μετάφραση: (έχει επικούς στίχους! - λέμε τώρα)

We were so close together, but the twilight has a different color now.
The abundance of kindness only keeps a distance between us.
Our coldly ignored hearts are wandering in the midst.
If this awkwardness is what it's like to live,
we shall close our eyes under the cold sky.

Even though we were so close together,
We can't even get a word across between our increasing distances.
Even though we were so close together, the twilight has a different color now.
Please, give us a quiet sleep under the moon light, if it is the last thing possible.

If you are going to cope with fate,
you can't go on saying you are sad or lonely.
Even if it means to break the links of words we have made together,
you would still want to say goodbye to the dull nights.

Even though they were so close together,
the unmatched couple have no place they can reach.
Even though we were so close together, in a glimpse of your new face,
I am fascinated, almost as though it is strange, almost enough that I would feel uneasiness

Where lye our hearts? Where are we drifting off to? So that our eyes do not become lost.

Even though we were so close together,
We can't even get a word across between our increasing distances.
Even though we were so close together, the twilight has a different color now.
Please, give us a quiet sleep under the moon light, if it is the last thing possible


(&Τις Μπάλες)

FOR TEH ORD, ΚΑΛΗΝΥΧΤΑ!!!!

Α! Και αν αναρωτιέστε τι έκανα τέτοια ώρα στο PC (που σιγά μην αναρωτιέστε - καθημερινότητα είναι στο di αυτή):

OBLIVION

emufear
08-04-2006, 02:02
"And yet, it seems the closest we get to the stars.. the less we actually understand them"

Tythora
08-04-2006, 03:06
Puedo ver esos rios de luz
Escapar de mi piel, hacia la fantasia
Hay en mi tanto temor
Tanto mal que ocultar

(I can see rivers of light
Flowing from my skin and toward fantasy
There’s so much fear within me
So many faults to hide)

Καληνυχτα!!!!!!!

Greg1982
08-04-2006, 03:19
Καληνύχτα μας.... :wavey: :-) :wavey:

grnemo
08-04-2006, 05:00
:angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

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Αμαν πια... δεν αντέχω... και αύριο μέρα είναι
over

lamer**
08-04-2006, 21:50
Lamer is back and here to fcuk... :smokin:

Tythora
09-04-2006, 00:11
Προτελευταιο βραδυ που κοιμαμαι στην πατριδα...
Οσο με ευχαριστηθηκατε,εργασιες,σχολη και καθηγητες,με ευχαριστηθηκατε!
Μετα το Πασχα τωρα! :D
Αντε καληνυχτες!!

Dj Cool - T
09-04-2006, 03:25
Another Black Sunday......

btw to Shrek 2 einai GAMATH TAINIA!!!

ade kalinihtes.... :wavey:

emufear
09-04-2006, 03:43
Φιλιά στη σημερινή παρέα :D:wavey:

Kertran
09-04-2006, 03:57
pwpw kapsimo....


//Suntagi gia "xenuxtismeno" fagito:

Pairnoume merikes patates Naxou:D tis katharizoume kai tis kovoume julien kai tis tiganizoume. En tw metaxu etoimazoume ti saltsa mas.

Se ena mikro katsarolaki rixnoume ligo exairetiko partheno elaiolado Naxou. Pairnoume ena kremmudaki Naxou metrio, to katharizoume kai to kovoume se megala kommatia. To rixnoume mesa sto katsarolaki kai anavoume to mati se metria thermokrasia. An exete matia p.x apo to 1 ews to tria valte to sto 2. Edw na tonisw ti simasia tou na rixete to kremmudi prin kapsei to ladi. An to ladi exei kapsei kai meta rixoume to kremmudi tote auto vriskei idi etoimi megali thermokrasia kai xanei grigora ta zoumia tou tsigarizetai diladi. Me tin en logw methodo to kremmudi xanei siga siga ta zoumia tou kai glukainei. Apo ti stigmi pou tha arxisei i vrasi perimenoume na mageireutei to kremmudi oso to theloume kai sti sunexeia rixnoume mesa ta manitaria mas. Proteinw manitaria Polzini alla an kapoios exei dika tou manitaria mazemena apo to vouno as ta "zematisei" ligo kai as ta rixei mesa. Afinoume to manitari kai to kremmudi na vrasei ligo akoma sto zoumi twn manitariwn. Rixnoume mesa alati, piperi kai maintano. En sunexeia vazoume mia koupa gala. Stin koupa anakateuoume mia koutalia tou glukou gemati me corn flower mexri auto na liwsei. Otan liwsei kai ta ulika exoun mageireutei oso ta theme rixnoume stin katsarola to migma mas anakateuontas sinexws. Afinoume sto mati gia 2 lepta akomi kai travame to katsarolaki. Vazoume tis patates se mia piatela kai rixnoume ti saltsa mas apo panw. Trivoume apo panw Arseniko Naxou i Graviera Naxou kai kali sas Oroxi.


H suntagi einai mia prosfora tou Kertran.....

otto
09-04-2006, 04:26
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από Tythora
Προτελευταιο βραδυ που κοιμαμαι στην πατριδα...
Οσο με ευχαριστηθηκατε,εργασιες,σχολη και καθηγητες,με ευχαριστηθηκατε!
Μετα το Πασχα τωρα! :D
Αντε καληνυχτες!! Φέρε μας τίποτα από την Αυστρία!! :p ;-) :-)

Καληνύχτα σε όλους! :sleep:

understracker
09-04-2006, 04:30
Προβλέπω να πέσει τρελό κόψιμο στις βάσεις, ήταν ανάγκη και εγώ να αυξήσω τα post μου λύνοντας την άσκηση δημόσια? Άντε καλά κουράγια...

TheRapper
09-04-2006, 04:55
καλο ταξιδι καλα να περασεις tythora

good nights ppl

emufear
10-04-2006, 01:36
Αααααααααααααααααχ αυτός ο άτιμος ήηηηηηηηηηηηθελε μαχαίρωμαααα...

Τελικά ο εκπληρωμένος έρωτας είναι NP-Complete

*~d(i)reamer~*
10-04-2006, 01:41
πωω τι θυμίζεις τώρα...επιστήμη υπολογιστών loool...φετινό θέμα...κατατάξεις προβλημάτων (εχω 100 χρονια να postaro)
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

Dj Cool - T
10-04-2006, 01:41
den eho kouragio na po kati allo...
kalinihta.... :sleep:

emufear
10-04-2006, 01:48
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από *~d(i)reamer~*
πωω τι θυμίζεις τώρα...επιστήμη υπολογιστών loool...φετινό θέμα...κατατάξεις προβλημάτων (εχω 100 χρονια να postaro)
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

Σιγά λες και έχουν περάσει χρόνια από τότε που έδωσες Χαλάτση κάνεις... :tounge:

Συμφωνείτε με την nerd-ική πλην όμως από καρδιάς πηγάζουσα διαπίστωσή μου;

Udaj
10-04-2006, 02:10
O ekplhrwmenos erwtas genikotera einai ena np-complete problhma . An pragmatika eisai erwteymenos kai breis antapokrish tote sto arrwsthmeno myalo sou nomizeis oti lythikan ola ta problhmata tou kosmou. Opote katalhgoume sto oti o erwtas einai np-complete afou an lythei tote lynontai aytomata ola ta problhmata. Epishs kaneis den exei apodeixei oti exei ypar3ei pragmatika ekplhrwmenos erwtas, polloi to lene alla kaneis den tous pisteyei. Ena allo symperasma pou katalhgoume eiani oti prepei na pathsw "kataxwrhsh" giati eipe arketes asynarthsies.

PS gia panta erwteymenos mwro mou.. 3ereis esy (den 3ereis alla dn peirazei) :love2: :love2:

Greg1982
10-04-2006, 02:14
καληνύχτα σε όλους... ερωτευμένους και μη... ;-)

:wavey: :-) :wavey:

emufear
10-04-2006, 02:23
Udaj, θεός γιατί αν δεν τα έλεγες αυτά τότε θα ήταν μόνο NP-Hard ενώ τώρα είναι NP-Complete.

Όμως μένει κάποιος να αποδείξει ότι δεν είναι στο P, δηλαδή ότι είναι ΠΑΛΟΥΚΙ να τα καταφέρεις να συναντήσεις τον εκπληρωμένο έρωτα, όσο και αν οι ταινίες παλεύουν να μας πείσουν ότι P = NP

Σωστά;

ΥΓ. Την παλεύω καμιά στάλα ή ούτε καν; Αντίο ζωή..

Udaj
10-04-2006, 02:32
Swsta milhses emu. To hollywood me ola ayta ta happy ending den endeiknytai gia mathimata zwis. Thn paleyeis oso thn paleyoume oloi mas. H zwh outws h allws einai mia palh. Tha petaga k to cliche oti h zwh einai wraia, alla de tha to kanw apo sebasmo se kapoious pou exoun sobarous logous na diafwnoun.

PS allo ena post den eixe ayth h selida? pou phge?.. ;-) :wavey: :wavey:

preacher man
10-04-2006, 02:34
παιδια νομιζω οτι εινα ι ο καταλληλος τοπος κ χρονος για να σας εκμυστηρευθω κατ ιπου θυμηθηκα.

προσφατα κ μετα απο τρελο ξενυχτι κοιτωντας κατι post στο di-κο forum , ειδα στον (πρωινο-κ καλα βραδινο) υπνο μου,
το τζοκερ να περπαταει στο δρομο (βασικα ειχε κεφαλι τζοκερ κ ενα αλλο σωμα δε θυμαμαι τι ομως) κ λεω σ εναν: " α, να ο udaj!"
επειδη ειχε το αναλογο avatar.

πυρωωωωωωωωωωωωωνωωωω!

:p

emufear
10-04-2006, 02:41
@Udaj: Ενδείκνυται απλά για να πακετωθείς ή για να μελαγχολήσεις ή για να νευριάσεις που το παρακμιακό πρωί-απόγευμα δημόσιο λύκειο που πήγαινες δε διοργάνωσε prom αλλά και που αν διοργάνωνε θα πακετωνόσουν εξίσου.. Η ζωή ΔΕΝ είναι ωραία αλλιώς θα την είχαμε βαρεθεί.. απλούστατο.

ΥΓ. Για το PS σου, τι να πεις... Put the post down slowly.

@Preacher Man:
Στο τελευταίο επεισόδιο Family Guy ο Sauron χάνει το φακό επαφής του και λέει: "Stay still! I dropped my lens!" και μετά με θλιμμένο τόνο "Oh my god, I am so grounded!"

Udaj
10-04-2006, 02:41
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από preacher man
παιδια νομιζω οτι εινα ι ο καταλληλος τοπος κ χρονος για να σας εκμυστηρευθω κατ ιπου θυμηθηκα.

προσφατα κ μετα απο τρελο ξενυχτι κοιτωντας κατι post στο di-κο forum , ειδα στον (πρωινο-κ καλα βραδινο) υπνο μου,
το τζοκερ να περπαταει στο δρομο (βασικα ειχε κεφαλι τζοκερ κ ενα αλλο σωμα δε θυμαμαι τι ομως) κ λεω σ εναν: " α, να ο udaj!"
επειδη ειχε το αναλογο avatar.

πυρωωωωωωωωωωωωωνωωωω!

:p

LOOOOOOOOLL

ayto htane "palia"... twra opws blepeis me exagorasane oi polyethnikes...

tha psaksw na to brw for old time's sake :D :D :wavey:

//edit: nato :D

preacher man
10-04-2006, 02:44
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
Στο τελευταίο επεισόδιο Family Guy ο Sauron χάνει το φακό επαφής του και λέει: "Stay still! I dropped my lens!" και μετά με θλιμμένο τόνο "Oh my god, I am so grounded!"[/SPOILER]

καταρα να επελθει στο κεφαλι σου!
ποτε θα μου τα καψεις ρεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεε?

TheRapper
10-04-2006, 05:24
και τα ματια κλεινουν...

αχχχχ κουραση.. .c - tired

(char*)κουρασι + ξενυχτι = #!@^!&...μπουρδες + καψιμο...brain cells

goodnights ppl

:sleep:

Kertran
10-04-2006, 05:41
den thelw na koimithw.......afiste me hsuxo......

// 7 mines xwris tsigaro :cool: aporw pws tin palepsa me kati xenixtia san to simerino......

noiR
10-04-2006, 06:14
ε βέβαια, μου το παίζεις υγιεινή ζωή και γ@μώ τις καπνοβιομηχανίες κι έτσι; ίσα ρε, γεια μας (τσαφφ) :smokin:

Link
10-04-2006, 06:23
Once again, τελει΄ςνς άλλη μια εργασία τα ξημερώματα, λίγες ώρες πριν την παράδωση. Δηλαδή την είχα τελειώσει από όταν βγήκε σχεδόν, αλλά βαριόμουνα να την δοκιμάσω με τα αρχεία του Ιωαννίδη. Τελικά η παράδοση το πρωί rules, έχεις όλο το βράδυ να ασχοληθείς, και όλη την υπόλοιπη μέρα ελεύθερη :p . Παραδόσεις στις 24:00 suck...
Τέσπα, μετά από λίγο κώδικα για τις τελευταίες διορθώσεις και αρκετά άχρηστα unixoπειράματα, καλυνύχτα ppl... :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Kertran
10-04-2006, 06:41
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από noiR
ε βέβαια, μου το παίζεις υγιεινή ζωή και γ@μώ τις καπνοβιομηχανίες κι έτσι; ίσα ρε, γεια μας (τσαφφ) :smokin:


ante kai gamisou anoite, tipotenie, tentimpoi, remali, katharma, karfakia, kamikazi....


POUTSO 4 LIFE


// milisa me para esu milises? einai kala leei koimatai, trwei kai vlepei tainies edw kai mia vdomada kai perimemei to xarti gia tin audition...... :cool:

TheRapper
10-04-2006, 06:51
flash idea for c...

not at all sleeping for today...

ξημερωσε καλημερα μας .. το πηγαμε σερι

αλλα δουλεψε η μην πω την λεξη...

Kertran
10-04-2006, 07:46
ligo akoma, ligo akoma....

TheRapper
10-04-2006, 08:19
TELOS...

ΗΡΘΕ ΤΟ ΤΕΛΟΣ...

Η Ρ Θ Ε Τ Ο Τ Ε Λ Ο Σ

υπνο!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Dj Cool - T
10-04-2006, 08:35
ade gia ipno re sy.... min se mazevoume :p

kalimera di.forums :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

noiR
10-04-2006, 14:36
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από Kertran

// milisa me para esu milises? einai kala leei koimatai, trwei kai vlepei tainies edw kai mia vdomada kai perimemei to xarti gia tin audition...... :cool:

ωραία, πες της να μπει και λίγο msn, και να απαντάει όταν της μιλάνε και να μην κοιμάται συνέχεια. τι άλλα ρε, ο Αντρέας καλά; καμιά ξυνομυζήθρα φέρε ρε φίλε μου έλειψε
α, και καμιά τρούφα από τη λυόν,
Α, και τις μπάλες

Kertran
10-04-2006, 15:01
vasika olo koimatai kai trwei Ben & Jerry's kai kineziko apo to magerio tou Yioung Tsou Li exei dei to Wayne's World kamia 200 fores ap' oti upologizw kai pinei red delicious apelpismena......

o Andreas einai kala alla mono pou ton grafw kai sta arxidia mou

xunomizithres kanoun ton Augousto malaka.....

ki oso gia ti Lyon tha sou ferw ena arxidi.........malaka pou mou thes kai chat......karagkioza........pane grapse kamia grammi kwdika.......sapaki.......prwti kai teleutaia fora pou vevilwnw tin ierotita autou tou thread grafontas mera..........kanonika osoi grafoun edw mera theloun ban alla as opsetai i megalopsixia, i kalosini ki omorfia twn moderators :D


// a vlaka min xechnas oti exoume kai 10 wres diafora...

noiR
10-04-2006, 18:04
εγώ όμως δεν έχω κοιμηθεί ακόμα οπότε σε γράφω κανονικά και είμαι πλήρως στο πνεύμα του thread (middle finger mode ON)

Kertran
10-04-2006, 21:29
mpravo malaka egw nomizeis oti exw koimithei......?
take the cock....

to vuzi kai to peponi
to xtupas kai malakwnei..... :smokin:

emufear
11-04-2006, 01:43
Αφού αιτηθώ για ΑΜΕΣΟ BAN των ποταπών και γλοιωδών noiR, Kertran με αφορμή το ποστάρισμα εκτός του ιερού διαστήματος 00:00 - 08:00 GMT +2 θα παραθέσω κάποιους στίχους:

This blanket is freezing, it's been out in the hall
Where you've had me for hours
Till I'm sure what I want
But darling I want the same thing that I wanted before
So sweetheart tell me what's up I won't stop no way

*~d(i)reamer~*
11-04-2006, 01:49
Μα πόσο κατίνες μπορεί να είναι κάποιοι στο view whos online
όλη μέρα κάνοντας refresh κάθε ένα λεπτό??? :p :baby: :p :baby:

Udaj
11-04-2006, 01:52
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από *~d(i)reamer~*
Μα πόσο κατίνες μπορεί να είναι κάποιοι στο view whos online
όλη μέρα κάνοντας refresh κάθε ένα λεπτό??? :p :baby: :p :baby:

oso ki esy pou tous parakoloutheis... :p :p

//edit: Ti mou thymhses bre maya... apisteyto meros :o :o :wavey:

MayaDeren
11-04-2006, 01:52
Kalhnuxta paides
Kai apo mena...

Eimai pleon Paro. Se ena xwrioudaki. Tis Leukes.

Kati san efialths sto dromo me tis Leukes...

Alla einai ola kataprasina kai fwteina....Ola fwsforouxa prasina me polla nera. Mia Edem.

Opote sas glukofilw kai kalhnuxtizw gia na xwthw ston epigeio paradeiso mou...

*~d(i)reamer~*
11-04-2006, 01:53
:angryfire :angryfire :angryfire εντάξει με έχεις τώρα :p :p
και btw εισαι από τουs καλούς θαμώνες του view whos online.... :cool: :cool: :cool:

Greg1982
11-04-2006, 01:58
καληνύχτα μας....

DI tourist
11-04-2006, 02:06
Πωωωω ντροπη...

Εχω να ποσταρω 2 μερες στο θρεντ!!! :o :p

Λοιπον καληνυχτα σας guyz & girlz... :wavey: :sleep:

Τραγουδακι αλλη φορα... :sleep:

/*RaDioHeAD*\
11-04-2006, 02:41
Σαν καλο παιδι παω και γω για υπνο.... :sleep:

Καληνυχτα σε ολους... :-)



Αφιερωμενος ενας στοιχος που μου εχει κολλησει εδω και ωρα... ;-)


"Sometimes, when I look deep in your eyes, I swear I can see your soul"

:wavey:

Udaj
11-04-2006, 02:49
Ki apo mena kati, apo mia agaphmenh tainia...

"Truth's like a blanket that always leaves your feet cold. You push it, stretch it, it'll never be enough. You kick at it, beat it, it will never cover any of us. From the moment we enter crying to the moment we leave dying, it will cover just your head as you wail and cry and scream!"

YoMa-Sensei
11-04-2006, 02:54
¶λλο ένα "άκυρο" γιαπωνέζικο τραγουδάκι από μένα!

Αφιερωμένο στον DiMiZ, τον Yggdrasill και όλη την υπόλοιπη anim-ο-παρέα που δεν πολυμπαίνει forum (;-))

(Από το RahXephon)

Sakamoto Maaya - HEMISPHERE


sore demo ittai kono boku ni nani ga dekiru tte iun da
kyuukutsu na hakoniwa no genjitsu o kaeru tame ni nani ga dekiru no

jinsei no hanbun mo boku wa mada ikitenai
sakaratte dakiatte
muishiki ni kizamarete yuku keiken no TATUU

gakeppuchi ni tatasareta toki
kunan mo boku no ude o tsukami
jibun jishin no arika ga hajimete mietan da
motto hiroi FIIRUDO e motto fukai ookina doko ka e
yosou mo tsukanai sekai e mukatte yuku dake

oshiete "tsuyosa" no teigi
jibun tsuranuku koto kana
soretomo jibun sae sutete made mamorubeki mono mamoru koto desu ka

SABANNA no GAZERU ga tsuchikemuri o ageru
kaze nnaka aitsura wa shinu made tachitsuzukenakereba ikenai no sa

HITO wa arukitsuzukete yuku
tada ikite yuku tame ni
fukanzen na DEETA o nurikaenagara susumu
hajimari no kouya o hitori mou arukidashiteru rashii
boku wa hai ni naru made boku de aritsuzuketai

tooi mukashi doko kara kita no
tooi mirai ni doko e yuku no
shiranai mama nagedasare kizuku mae ni toki wa owaru no
hajimari no kouya o hitori mou arukidashiteru rashii
boku wa hai ni naru made boku de aritsuzuketai

gakeppuchi ni tatasareta toki
kunan mo boku no ude o tsukami
jibun jishin no arika ga hajimete mietan da
motto hiroi FIIRUDO e motto fukai ookina doko ka e
yosou mo tsukanai sekai e mukatte yuku dake

boku wa boku no koto ga shiritai


Και η μετάφραση γιατί μερικοί δεν νιώθουν από γιαπωνέζικα:


In any case, what can I possibly do?
What can I do to change the reality of this confined garden?

I haven't even lived through half of my life yet
I oppose and I embrace
Experiences are unconciously tatooed onto me

When I'm in serious trouble
Challenges also grab at me
I was able to see my existence for the first time
Towards a huge field, somewhere bigger and deeper
I can only go to a world which exceeds expectations

Tell me the meaning of "power"
I wonder if it's something I can go through
Or even if I devote myself
Can I protect the things which I must protect?

Clouds of dust whip up in the savannas of gazelles
Until the winds die down, they must remain inside

People continue to walk
Just to live
I move on as the incomplete data is re-written
It seems I've started walking alone in the wilderness
Until I become more confident I want to live up to myself

Where did I come from long ago?
Where is the distant future heading?
I was abandoning it before I could notice it
It seems I've started walking alone in the wilderness
Until I become more confident I want to live up to myself

When I'm in serious trouble
Challenges also grab at me
I was able to see my existense for the first time
Towards a huge field, somewhere bigger and deeper
I can only go to a world which exceeds expectations

I want to know more about myself

GN!

@emuphear: don't make me a sad panda :((( :PPP

*~d(i)reamer~*
11-04-2006, 04:26
Τι να σου πώ....ευχαριστώ για όλα!!! Τώρα ταξιδάκι :sleep:

DI tourist
12-04-2006, 02:55
Καληνυχτα hommiez!!!

"Ξερετε κανενα rave party με φτηνα XTC ?" :p


Και το τραγουδακι...

"Συννεφιασμενε μου ουρανε - Λ. Μαχαιριτσας"

"Περνάς μπροστά μου η αύρα σου με κυκλώνει
με προσγειώνει στο μηδέν
Θα 'θελα να 'μουν στο κορμάκι σου ζώνη
τραγουδάκι σου ρεφρέν

Έχεις φεγγάρι μου δυο μέτρα μπόι
αλλά υπόγεια μυαλά
ούτε μιλιά κοιτάς στον τοίχο το ρολόι
μέσα από μαύρα γυαλιά

Είσαι ένας δρόμος που ψυχή δεν πατάει
πάντα μόνη
πάντα μόνη πάει
Η ερημιά σου το χέρι κρατάει
και τι δεν θα 'δινα να έσβηνα τ' αστέρι που σ' οδηγάει
να 'μουν αγέρι τα μαλλιά σου να φυσάει

Η αγάπη μάγισσα κινάει βουνά
Γι αυτό κι εγώ παίρνω όρκο
τον δράκο που έβαλες πριγκίπισσα να σε φιλά
θα τον αφήσω στον τόπο

Συννεφιασμέ-, συννεφιασμένε μου ουρανέ
μια χαραμάδα στην καρδιά σου άνοιξε μου

Όσο με διώχνεις άλλο τόσο με πεισμώνεις
κι ας με τελειώνεις στο τερέν
θα 'θελα να ‘μουνα παλτό να μην κρυώνεις
να σου ξορκίσω όλα τα δεν

Πως να σε πείσω κούκλα μου δυο μέτρα μπόι
να σου γυρίσω τα μυαλά
ούτε μιλιά κοιτάς στον τοίχο το ρολόι
μέσα απ' τα μαύρα γυαλιά

Είσαι ένας δρόμος που ψυχή δεν πατάει...

Συννεφιασμε' συννεφιασμένε μου ουρανέ..."

:sleep: :sleep: :wavey:

TheRapper
12-04-2006, 03:51
και ...ιδου ηρθε εμπνευση με στιχους απο διαφορα τραγουδια απο τα καλυτερα του Chris de Burgh...

για ολους οσους και οσες αρμενιζουν με βαρκα τον ερωτα, την αγαπη, οπου και αν βρισκονται νοσταλγούν και κανουν ονειρα...

.. let them come true...

**************************
Tracks remix – Chris de Burgh

When I touch you I can feel you shivering
I can feel your heart is beating fast
We are alone in this crowded room
Oh tonight there is something happening
And it's something that should never be
But there's a flame over you and me

I wish I was sailing away, sailing away,
sailing away, in your arms tonight in your
arms tonight… i would say

One word, one heart, one night, is all I want,
One word, one heart, one girl, is waiting there for me as
Two hearts are beating fast,
but they are still many miles apart,
Oh the moon was shining on a distant shore,
Burning like a fire in my heart,
I've got to see her, I've got to say …

I've never seen you looking so gorgeous as you did tonight
I've never seen you shine so bright you were amazing
I've never seen so many people want to be there by your side
And when you turned to me and smiled you took my breath away
and I have never had such a feeling such a feeling
Of complete and utter love, as i do tonight…
you are dancing with me, cheeck to cheek …as

Someone put on a love song,
To bring you closer to me,
All I want is this diamond in the dark,
To begin what must be…

I've been missing you more than words can say
and that I've been thinking about it every day
and by the time we had just dancing nice and slow
I would say "Now that I've found you
I'm never letting you go"…

I need tender hands to hold me, I need tender hands tonight
Will you lay them on my shoulders
Will you lay them on my eyes
And I need tender hands to take me
All the way to paradise, and then, when it's over
I need tender hands to hold me through the night.

Always, she is standing by my side
She's my insperation and she's my battle cry
And in her arms, is the only place I know
Where peaceful waters flow… but

Out on the water it's another world
I feel the power inside of me
The flame is here and now it has to burn
You can live but you cannot survive
And it's something you cannot deny
To the waiting heart - this waiting heart…

“my heart is burning like a fire
closer now and you are breathing desire
take my hand and give it all your light
take command I am your rhythm tonight
well here we go again
we are moving from a spark to a flame”

*********************************
...inspired and edited (not composed!!!…) by TheRapper…

(10 λεπτα υποθεση ... η εμπνευση...χχχεχε)

... βρειτε και τι στιχους αντιστοιχουν σε ποια τραγουδια ετσι για late post quiz for ξενυχτιδες...

καληνυχτα !!

:blush: :love2:
:wavey: :sleep:

Dj Cool - T
12-04-2006, 03:54
po re di tourist.......

POSO PIO KSENEROTOS????? :mad: :mad: :mad:

prota "rotas" gia rave party kai meta postareis maxairitsa....

:angryfire :angryfire :angryfire



ADIO ZWH!!! :mad:

Magic Key -----------------------

This sudden end to my days
Makes me wish I`d changed my ways
Spent more time with the posse One-T, Nine-T, Bull-T, me
From up here, life seems so small
What`s the meaning of it all ?
Miss the way it used to be One-T, Nine-T, Bull-T, me
Where in the world could I be ?
Homies looking so cool, cool, I`m cool-t
Tuxedos made of snow
Is there something I should know ?
Mom and Pop and little bro
Dead and gone so long ago
Could this be paradise at last ?
The first test I`ve ever passed

Music`s the odyssey
It`s here for you, for me
Just listen, find the magic key
Music`s the odyssey
It`s here for you, for me
Just listen like your life be free

Magic Key Blissful days, whatcha gonna do ?
Still I miss my old t-crew
Can`t afterlive without`em I just wish they only knew
May have lived without a home
But my homies` love me kept me warm Taught me to forget the game
Money, hatred, hunger, pain
This sudden end to my days
Makes me wish I`d changed my ways
Spent more time with the posse One-T, Nine-T, Bull-T, me

Music`s the odyssey
It`s here for you, for me
Just listen and find the magic key
Music`s the odyssey
It`s here for you, for me
Just listen like your life be free

Missing you, missing you
Missing you, magic crew
Missing you, missing you
Missing you, magic crew

Had a meeting with my maker
The superhuman baker
He popped me in the oven
And set the dial to lovin`
Now I watch over my boys
Help`em keep on making noise
Never pictured me with wings
Guess I`ve heard of stranger things

:sleep: :wavey:

grnemo
12-04-2006, 05:19
Νύχτα παίδες!!! :wavey: :wavey:
:sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Greg1982
13-04-2006, 00:17
Μάγκες+μαγκίτησες σήμερα δεν την παλεύω :p :D

καληνύχτα μας και καλή μας ξεκούραση... είς αύριον τα σπουδαία... (εεε όλο και κάτι θα γίνει και αύριο... :p )

:wavey: :wavey: :-) :love2: :-) :wavey: :wavey:

Tythora
13-04-2006, 01:39
You calm the storms, and you give me rest.
You hold me in your hands, you won't let me fall.
You steal my heart, and you take my breath away.
Would you take me in? Take me deeper now?

Καληνυχτα σε ολους εκει κατω! ;-)
Ειδικα σε οσους πηγαν για κοινο στο mike's irish bar.Μακαρι να ημουν κι εγω ενα χειροκροτημα εκει leo!!
Ονειρα γλυκα... :-)

...Καλη η Αυστρια,αλλα χωρις ηλιο πως ζουν εδω??

TheRapper
13-04-2006, 03:29
γι οσους λειπουν μακρια και ειμασταν αρκετοι... σημερα στον Leo live@Mike's Irish...

καληνυχτα ειδικα σε οσους βρεθηκαν και ηταν οι και αι:
Supermanth
Theio_Vrefos
Emufear
killer_instickt
Thinking _Man
Yggdrasil
noiR και η παρεα του (Μαρια κλπ...)
Thanatitsa και ο φιλος της
Ρενα (σορρυ πιο nickname??dory may be)
den_xero_c
ronin
asteroid
The_Riddle
tweaky &
TheRapper

... πρεπει να ειναι και αλλοι ... μανωλακη ανελαβε
... μην ξεχασω κανεναν οκ pal

:wavey:

sweet dreams στα καλυτερα παιδια του di... δηλαδη σε ολα


:love2:

//edit: ολο και κατι μαθαινουμε απο το forous.di.gr ετσι emufear nice...

:sleep:

emufear
13-04-2006, 03:31
Η ιστορίας της περιοχής που μεγάλωσα και ζω από το 1986 :-)


Η ΚΥΨΕΛΗ, μία από τιs παλαιότερες συvοικίεs της Aθήvας, περιγράφεται στη Μεγάλη Ελληνική Εγκυκλοπαίδεια ως «Μία των νέων συνοικιών των Αθηνών, εις τα βορειανατολικά κράσπεδα τηs πόλεωs» υπενθυμίζοντάs μαs την ταχύτητα με την οποία εξαπλώθηκε η πρωτεύουσα κατά τη διάρκεια του 20 αιώνα ενσωματώvοντας μέσα στα θεσμοθετημένα όριά τηs παλαιότερα περίχωρα, τοπωνύμια και αγροτικέs εκτάσεις.

Πριν επικρατήσει κατά τους νεότερους χρόνους η ονομασία Κυψέλη, το τοπωνύμιο αναφέρεται σαν «Γυψέλη», «Διψέλη» και «Υψαλα». Η ετυμολογία της λέξης παραμένει ανεξακρίβωτη, παρ' όλο που έχει υποστηρικτεί ότι το «Κυψέλη» αποτελεί παραφθορά του «Γυψέλη», καθώs τις έρημες και λοφώδεις παρυφές των Τουρκοβουνίων που κατέλαβε η συνοικία, σύχναζαν μόνο γύπες. Οπωs προκύπτει από συζητήσειs με παλιούς και vέους κατοίκους της ευρύτερης περιοχής, τα ακριβή όρια της αστικής οντότητας της Kυψέλης, δεν είναι σαφή στη συνείδηση των κατοίκων της, Kαθώς εξαρτώνται από διαφορετικές συλλογικές και υποκειμενικές αντιλήψεις του χώρου και των ορίων της γειτονιάς.
Σε θεσμικό επίπεδο, ο πρώτος ορισμός των ορίων τις συνοικιας Κυψέλη, όπως και η επίσημη ονομασία της καθορίζονται το 1908 στην εργασία του νομομηχανικου Αθ.Σ. Γεωργιάδη. Η συνοικία της Kυψέλης ορίστηκε στα νότια από τιs γειτονιέs: Άνω Κυψέλη, Νέα περίχωρα το ρέμα του Κυκλόβορου (σημερινή Κυψέλη, Aγιos Γεώργιος, Πολύγωνο,οδός Ευελπίδων) που τη χώριζε από Αγία Ζώνη και Φωκίωvος Νέγρη, το Πεδίον του Aρεως.Εκεί μέχρι τις αρχές του 20ου αιώνα βρισκόταν το Αγροτικό κτιριακό συγκρότημα του Ιππικού.Στα βόρεια οριζόταν από το ρέμα Λεβίδη (σημερινή Φωκίωνος Νέγρη), στα ανατολικά από τις δυτικές παρυφές των Τουρκοβουνίων και στα δυτικά από την οδό Πατησίων. Για πρώτη φορά το 1908 ορίστηκαν τα ακριβή όρια της συνοικίας και παγιώθηκε η θεσμική της υπόσταση.

ΗΤΑΝ Η ΓΕΙΤΟΝΙΑ του Νίκου Γκάτσου. Ο Eλύτης, ο Γκάτσος, ο Kαραντώνης, ο Σαραντάρης κι η πολυπληθής παρέα τους σύχναζαν στο πρώτο λογοτεχνικό καφενείο της γενιάς τους, το «Ηραίον», στη διασταύρωση Αγίου Μελετίου και Πατησίων που δεν υπάρχει πια.Δεν ήταν, όμωs, μόνο αυτοί θαμώνεs της Kυψέληs. Από εκεί πέρασε ο Nικος Εγγονόποuλος. Εκεί τον επισκεπτόταν ο Aνδρέας Εμπειρίκος και μιλούσαν για τον σουρεαλισμό. Στην περιοχή μένει εδώ και χρόνια ο Μίλτος Σαχτούρης. Η Κική Δημουλά είναι κι αυτή Κυψελιώτισσα. Nεαρός έμενε στη γειτονιά ο Γιώργοs Χειμωνας με τη Λούλα Αναγνωστάκη. Στου Φλόκα έγραφε τιs θεατρικέs κριτικές του ο Τάσοs Λιγνάδης. Ο Mένηs Koυμανταρεας μένει το μεγαλύτερο διάστημα εκεί.

Ο Λουκιανόs Κηλαηδόνης όχι μόνο την έζησε αλλά και την τραγούδησε. Αναρίθμητοι ηθοποιοί, μουσικοί, σκηνοθέτεs του θεάτρου και του κινηματογράφου ξεκίνησαν από εκεί. Όποιον και να ρωτήσειs από τιs γενιέs του '45 και μετά, κάτι έχει να αφηγηθεί από την Κυψέλη. Είτε από τη διαμονή του, είτε από τα θορυβώδη φοιτητικά πάρτι, είτε από τα ξενύχτια με τιs ατέλειωτεs συζητήσεις, πολιτικέs και μη, σε σπίτια και πλατείες. Για πολλά χρόνια η Κυψέλη ήταν η γειτονιά των φοιτητών. Έτσι τη γνώρισαμε. Ήταν η πρώτη εμπειρία διαμονής εκτός οικογενειακήs εστίαs. Με συγκάτοικο μια πρώην συμμαθήτρια, φίλη από παλιά. Υπήρχε κι η οικογενειακή φίλη, η «Αθηναία», που είχε αναλάβει να μαs «προσέχει». Η ελευθερία, η ανάγκη γρήγορηs ενηλικίωσηs, η πλήρης αυτοδιάθεση, η περιέργεια να γνωρίσειs τον καινούργιο κόσμο και να προσανατολιστείς σ' αυτόν. Ήταν η εποχή που θέλαμε να γνωρίσουμε τα πάντα, να ζήσουμε τα πάντα, έστω κι αν η δικτατορία λειτουργούσε ως δαμόκλειοs σπάθη.
Νύχτες με φεγγάρι
Εκείνη την εποχή η Κυψέλη βόλευε για πολλούs λόγουs: ήταν κοντά στο κέντρο, οι διαδρομέs ώs τη σχολή γινόταν με τα πόδια, τα νοίκια φτηνά. Τα δώματα, παράνομα και νόμιμα, έβριθαν στην περιοχή, όπωs και τα δυάρια ή οι γκαρσονιέρεs, υπόγεια ή σε ορόφουs. Η Κυψέλη, διατηρούσε ακόμη μέροs της παλιάs αστικήs αίγλης.

Ο «Mεγαρίτης», η πιο αρχαία ταβέρνα της Κυψέλης, με τον φιλόξενο κύριο Άγγελο κινηματογραφιστή και φίλο του κόσμου του θεάτρου. Μένουν ακόμη η «Φωλιά» του κυρίου Δήμου, η «Συκιά», η «Σπετσοπούλα» και άλλες ακόμη τις οποίες δεν ξέρω. Πρόσφατα μόλις έκλεισαν οι αχτύπητες τυρόπιτες και ζαμπονόπιτες του «Αχτύπη», όνομα και πράγμα. Βέβαια, βασίλισσα της Φωκίωνος παραμένει πάντα η «Φαίδρα» της οικογένειας του κυρίου Φάνη, που οι μακαρονάδες της κρατούν σε εγρήγορση τους θαμώνες ολόκληρο το εικοσιτετράωρο, από τον πρωινό κύριο Γιώργο ως τον νυχτερινό κύριο Παναγιώτη, όλοι σερβίρουν άψογα με το δικό του στυλ ο Kαθένας. Εκεί δεν βασιλεύει ο φασισμός της νεότητας, αντίθετα συνυπάρχουν αρμονικά όλες οι ηλικίεs. Δίπλα στους νεολαίους της Φωκίωνος δίνει το «παρών», κυρίως τα πρωινά, η παλιά αστική και μικροαστική τάξη της Kυψέλης. Τραυματισμένη, κακοντυμένη, κουρασμένη και μελαλαγχολικη.

Συναντά κανείς ζωντανά ερείπια στον δρόμο και στο παρκάκι απέναντι στη Δημοτική Αγορά. Μια Αγορά που βρίσκεται ακριβώς κάτω από τη βεράντα του σπιτιού μας, και που σιγά-σιγά έχει θαμπώσει και απονεκρωθεί, μιας και οι γύρω της δρόμοι συναγωνίζονται σε μανάβικα, τυράδικα και κρεαταδικα.

Άγνωστο τι θα γίνει όταν αργά ή γρήγορα μοιραία κλείσει κι αυτή. Υπόγειο γκαράζ ή πάρκο; Υπάρχουν και οι απόστρατοι στρατηγοί στο κάτω μέρος της Φωκίωνος, που τα πρωινά εξυφαίνουν ξεθυμασμένες χουντικές συνωμοσίες. Μα είναι μια συντριπτική μειοψηφία. Κατά τα άλλα η νεολαία αστράφτει. Σε καμιά άλλη πρωτεύουσα του δυτικού κόσμου δεν κυκλοφορούν τόσοι πολλοί νέοι, τόσοι περιφερόμενοι γαμπροί, θριαμβευτικά άνεργοι και θαυματουργά χαρτζιλικωμένοι. Κι αυτό δεν είναι προνόμιο μόνο της Κυψέλης. Δεν έχει παρά να πάει κανείς ως στο Μπουρνάζι. Αν μη τι άλλο, οι νεολαίοι αυτοί δίνουν υποσχέσεις, όταν με κάποιο τρόπο ή κάποιο ρουσφέτι τακτοποιηθούν. Και ράτσες που η Καθολική ανατροφή τους εμποδίζει κάθε ατασθαλία πλην εκειvnς του ποτού. Οι ατίθασοι Ρουμάνοι που κάνουν στριπτίζ σε αντρικά μαγαζιά. Οι μελαγχολικοί Σύριοι και Πακιστανοί. Οι Αλβανοί που οι κακοί μπήκανε φυλακή κι έμειναν οι καλοί, και μάχονται να κατακτήσουν γλώσσα, άδεια εργασίας, πράσινη κάρτα, και που τώρα που επιτέλους η κυβέρνηση ξύπνησε κι αποφάσισε να ακολουθήσει μια πολιτική μεταναστών, εξελίσσονται σε μία από τις πιο δημιουργικές μειονότητες της περιοχής. Παραπονούνται μερικοί παλιοί Kυψελιώτες ότι στoυς δρόμους δεν βλέπει κανείς παρά μόνο ξένους. Δεν έχουν παρά να ταξιδέψουν στη Λόντρα, Παρίσι, Νιου Γιορκ, που έλεγε και το παλιό τραγούδι. Εκεί να δουν τα μάτια τους. Aς κάνουν το σταυρό τους λοιπόν και ας εύχονται να μη δουν κανένα Λεπέν στη χώρα μας και στη γειτονια τους. Αυτή είναι η Κυψέλη σήμερα και δεν χρειάζεται να κλαίμε για παλιά μεγαλεία. Ισα ίσα χρειάζεται να προσβλέπουμε σε νέες συνήθειες, νέα στέκια, νέους που δεν θα μας πειράζει αν είναι γεννημένοι Eλληνες ή αφομοιωμένοι ξένοι. Σε λίγο θα ειμαστε όλοι ξένοι. Ξένος κι εγώ, εξόριστος από την πλατειά των παιδικών και νεανικών μου χρόνων, τη Βικτώρια, διαβιώ στην Κυψέλη εδώ και δύο δεκαετίες.

Γι' αυτό και νιώθω το παράπονο, την αδικια και τη νοσταλγία στα μάτια των μεταναστών. Δεν πειράζει. Είναι η Κυψέλη ένα μέρος της Aθήνας κι αυτή. Μπορει όχι το καλύτερο. Όμως μπορεί να γίνει καλύτερη. Κι ακόμα δεν ξεχνώ ότι εδώ έζησε για αρκετά χρόνια ο Nικoς Γκάτσος. Μέχρι πρότινος ο Φωκάς Κονδύληs. Εδώ ζει ο Μίλτος Σαχτούρης ντυμένος «τρελός λαγός». Εδώ και η Κικη Δημουλά. Εδώ ο Γιώργος Mιχαηλiδης, ο Kώστας Καζάκος. Στη «Θέμιδα» της οδού Ευελπιδων τριγυρίζει ο Μάνος Ελευθεριου. Στην Κυκλάδων παίζει ο Λευτέρης Βογιατζής, στην Κεφαλληνίας η Μπέτυ Aρβανιτη. Εγώ που είμαι δύσκολος στα κουρεία, τα τελευταία χρόνια εμπιστεύομαι το κεφάλι μου στα έμπειρα χέρια του Κώστα Κτιστάκη στην οδό Σικινου. Και ντύνομαι στου «Σαράφη», τα καλύτερα ρούχα στην Κυψέλη για μικρούς και; μεγάλους. Εδώ, λοιπόν, σ' αυτά τα λημέρια τριγυριζουν μελλοντικοί λογοτέχνες, ηθοποιοί, ζωγράφοι. Οι τελευταίοι εναλλάσσονται με τους καθιερωμένους στην καλή γκαλερί του Γιώργου Καρτάλου το «Αγκάθι». Κι ακόμα τρώνε νόστιμο σουβλάκι στην ολοστρόγγυλη πλατεία του Αϊ-Γιώργη έξω από το παλιό σπίτι της Λαμπέτη, και παραπλεύpως καλομαγειρεμένο φαγητό στο οικογενειακό μαγαζι του Χρήστου και της Mαίρης. Καλό φαγητό έχει και η «Μυρτιά του Πασχάλη» στην οδό Τήνου. Κι όταν δεν εκκλησιάζονται στον ναό του Αγίου Γεωργίου τότε πηγαίνουν στην Aγίας Ζώνης η στο κατανυκτικό παλιό εκκλησάκι των Άγιων Αποστόλων, στο ομώνυμο στενάκι, ιδιοκτησία της οικογένειας Κωνσταντίνου Κανάρη. Μια εντοιχισμένη πλάκα σε πολυκατοικία της οδού Kυψέλης δείχνει περισσότερο με θλίψη παρά με κλέος το σπίτι του Πυρπολητή. Και αδιάκοπα, όλοι εμείς όταν τα μελαγχολικά, αδιέξοδα κυψελιώτικα στενά μας πνίγουν, τότε για να αναπνεύσουμε ξανοιγόμαστε στη Via Veneto της Φωκίωvος.

Η ΦΩΚΙΩΝΟΣ ΤΟΥ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟΥ <<ΣΤΑΡ-ΣΥΣΤΕΜ>>

Η κινηματογραφική Φωκίωνος Νέγρη μπορεί να 'ναι έναs κατασκευασμένοs μύθος, όμωs, η πραγματική με τα ζαχαροπλαστεία και τα βραδινά κέντρα τηs υπήρξε σημείο αναφοράς για το ελληνικό «σταρ σύστεμ» τη χρυσή εποχή του ελληνικού κινηματογράφου. Η Φωκίωνος Νέγρη φτιάχτηκε τη δεκαετία του '30 πάνω στα ίχνη ενός ρέματος, το οποίο άρχιζε από τα Τουρκοβουνια και προχωρούσε προς τη μεριά που χαράχτηκε η οδόs Αριστοτέλους, και στις δεκαετίες του '50 και '60 αποτέλεσε κοσμικό κέντρο τηs αστικήs κοινωνίαs τηs Kυψέλης, η οποία συγκέντρωνε αρκετούs καλλιτέχνες του κινηματογράφου και του θεάτρου.

Εάν τα μεσημέρια στου Λουμίδη έμειναν στην ιστορία χάριν τηs φιλολογικήs παρέαs τηs νεότερης γενιάs ποιητών και διανοουμένων, τα βράδια στη Φωκίωνος Νέγρη έμειναν ανεξίτηλα στιs μνήμες αρκετών Αθηναίων, κοσμικών και μη, χάριν τηs ανάλαφρηs γοητείαs που ασκούσαν οι ζεν πρεμιε και οι λοιποί κινηματογραφικοί αστέρες τηs εποχήs. Το σλόγκαν «Κορίτσια ο Μπάρκουληs», το οποίο φέρεται να εκστομήθηκε για πρώτη φορά σε δρόμο τηs Kυψέλης, αποτυπώνει ανάγλυφα την ατμόσφαιρα μιαs αθηναϊκήs γειτονιάs η οποία τα βράδια απολάμβανε το μεταπολεμικό «νεοελληνικό θαύμα».

Παρόλα αυτά, η Κυψέλη μπορεί να καυχάται πωs ο ελληνικόs κινnματογράφος την τίμησε στα ανέμελα χρόνια τηs εφηβείαs του, διαλέγοντάς την δυο τρεις φορές για τίτλο σε ταινίες που γνώρισαν εμπορική επιτυχία. Ομως, μέχρι εκεί. Μέχρι τα «γράμματα» στα πρώτα μέτρα του σελιλόιντ, Από κει κι ύστερα, ούτε οι χώροι, ούτε οι χαρακτήρες μεταφέρουν στο σημερινό θεατή αυτών των λίγων ταινιών κάποια σημαντική πληροφορία για την Κυψέλη. Ούτε η Μάρω Κοντού με το μπρίο τηs στο «Μια Ιταλίδα απ' την Κυψέλη» ούτε ο Nικoς Ρίζος με καμώματά του ως «Γίγας τηs Κυψέλης»" ούτε ο Αλκης Γιαvακάς, ως πρωτοπαλίκαρο του αθηναϊκού υποκόσμου, στο «Ρεμάλι τηs Φωκίωvος Νέγρη». Άλλωστε, εκείνη την εποχή ρεμάλια στη Φωκίωνοs Νέγρη δεν υπήρχαν «παρά μονάχα στη φαντασία του Κώστα Καραγιάνvn», όπως λέει ο σεναριογράφος, σκηνοθέτης και θεατρικόs συγγραφέας Γιώργος Λαζαρίδης.
Το ζαχαροπλαστείο Σελεκτ, στη γωνία Φωκίωνος και Επτανήσου ήταν το στέκι της παραγωγικότερης κινηματογραφικής-και θεατρικής-παρέας της εποχής με προεξέχοντες θαμώνες τον Νίκο Τσιφόρο, τον Αλέκο Σακελλαριο, τον Κώστα Πρετεντερη, τον Γιώργο Γιαννακοπουλο, τον Γιώργο Λαζαριδη, τον Ορέστη Λάσκο, τον Βασίλη Αυλωνίτη, τον Νίκο Σταυρίδη.

Τέλος, σημαντικός πόλος της νυχτερινής ζωής της Φωκίωνος ήταν και το κέντρο «Ιγκλού» στο οποίο εμφανίσθηκαν ο Βαγγέλης Παπαθανασίου και ο Ντέμης Ρούσος πριν από τη διεθνή τους καριέρα.

Πηγή (http://www.asda.gr/elxoroi/kipseli.htm)

Καλημέρα σε όλους :-)

†PiCoMiKe†
13-04-2006, 03:41
A Biography of Osama Bin Laden

This document was given to FRONTLINE by a source close to bin Laden who would like to remain anonymous. FRONTLINE found it a very useful source of information, but could not independently verify much of the information contained herein. Some of the information is true. However, some of it runs contrary to accounts given by other reliable sources. That said, this document does provide some important details regarding bin Laden and his family life.

The beginnings
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Born 1957 for Syrian mother, Osama bin Laden was the seventh son among fifty brothers and sisters.

Bin Laden the Father
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Note: This document is published here exactly as in the original translated document given to FRONTLINE. No changes have been made to grammar or punctuation.

His father Mohammed Awad bin Laden came to the kingdom from Hadramout (South Yemen) sometime around 1930. The father started his life as a very poor laborer (porter in Jeddah port), to end up as owner of the biggest construction company in the kingdom. During the reign of King Saud, bin Laden the father became very close to the royal family when he took the risk of building King Saud's palaces much cheaper than the cheapest bid. He impressed King Saud with his performance but he also built good relations with other members of the royal family, especially Faisal. During the Saud-Faisal conflict in the early sixties, bin Laden the father had a big role in convincing King Saud to step down in favor of Faisal. After Saud's departure the treasury was empty and bin Laden was so supportive to King Faisal that he literally paid the civil servants' wages of the whole kingdom for six months. King Faisal then issued a decree that all construction projects should go to bin Laden. Indeed, he was appointed for a period as the minister of public works.

In 1969 the father took the task of rebuilding Al-Aqsa mosque after the fire incident. Interestingly the bin Laden family say that they have the credit of building all the three mosques, because later on their company took over the task of major extension in Mecca and Medina mosques.

The father was fairly devoted Moslem, very humble and generous. He was so proud of the bag he used when he was a porter that he kept it as a trophy in the main reception room in his palace. The father used to insist on his sons to go and manage some projects themselves.

The father had very dominating personality. He insisted to keep all his children in one premises. He had a tough discipline and observed all the children with strict religious and social code. He maintained a special daily program and obliged his children to follow. At the same time the father was entertaining with trips to the sea and desert. He dealt with his children as big men and demanded them to show confidence at young age. He was very keen not to show any difference in the treatment of his children.

Early Life, School and Marriage
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Osama was exposed very early on his age to this experience but he lost his father when he was 13. He married at the age of 17 to a Syrian girl who was a relative. He grew up as religiously committed boy and the early marriage was another factor of protecting him from corruption.

Osama had his primary, secondary and even university education in Jeddah. He had a degree in public administration 1981 from King Abdul-Aziz university in Jeddah. Countries of the Arabian Peninsula, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Sudan are the only countries he has been to. All stories of trips to Switzerland, Philippines, and London are all unfounded.

Structuring His Mentality
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In addition to the general Islamic commitment he started forming an Islamic responsibility at early age. His father used to host hundreds of pilgrims during Hajj season from al over the world. Some of those were senior Islamic scholars or leaders of Muslim movements. This habit went on even after his father's death through his elder brothers. He used to make good contacts and relations through those gatherings.

At secondary school and university he adopted the main trend of many educated Muslims at that time, Muslim Brotherhood. There was a collection of Muslim scholars in Jeddah and Mecca at that period. There was nothing extraordinary in his personality and that trend was rather very non-confrontational. Interestingly, the 1980 raid in the Grand Mosque in Mecca was not appealing to him, neither the theology or that group. He had two distinguished teachers in Islamic studies, which was a compulsory subject in the university. First was Abdullah Azzam who became later as one of the big names in Afghanistan and the second was Mohammed Quttub, a famous Islamic writer and philosopher.

Afghanistan, The First Encounter
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The first encounter with Afghanistan was as early as the first two weeks of Soviet invasion. He went to Pakistan and was taken by his hosts Jamaat Islami from Karachi to Peshawar to see the refugees and meet some leaders. Some of those leaders like Rabbani and Sayyaf were common faces to him because he met them during Hajj gatherings That trip which was [a] secret trip lasted for almost a month and was an exploratory rather than action trip. He went back to the kingdom and started lobbying with his brothers, relatives and friends at the school to support the mujahedeen. He succeeded in collecting huge amount of money and material as donations to jihad. He made another trip to take this material. He took with him few Pakistanis and Afghanis who were working in bin Laden company for more than ten years. Again, he did not stay more than a month The trip was to Pakistan and the border only and was not to Afghanistan. He went on collecting money and going in short trips once or twice a year until 1982.

Inside Afghanistan
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In 1982 he decided to go inside Afghanistan. He brought with him plenty of the construction machinery and put them at the disposal of the mujahedeen He started spending more and more time in Afghanistan occasionally joining actual battles but not in an organized manner. His presence was encouraging to more Saudis to come but the numbers were still small at that period.

The Guesthouse
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In 1984 he had one further step in strengthening his presence in Afghanistan by establishing the guesthouse in Peshawar (Baitul'ansar). That house was supposed to be the first station of Arab mujahedeen when they come to Afghanistan before going to the front or start training. At that period Osama did not have his own command or training camps. He used to send the newcomers to one of the Afghan factions.

The guesthouse establishment was coinciding with the formation of Jihad Service Bureau by Abdullah Azzam in Peshawar. The Bureau was very active in terms of media, publications and charity work. The Bureau publications were important in attracting more Saudis and Arabs to Afghanistan.

The Camps
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In 1986 Osama decided to have his own camps inside Afghanistan and within two years he built more than six camps. Some were mobilized more than once. He decided to have his own front and to run his own battles with his own command. Among the Arab fighters he had, there were senior Arab ex-military men from Syria and Egypt with good military experience. The story of the guesthouse and the camps was very attractive for more Arab mujahedeen to come and there was a significant surge in their numbers at that period.

In addition to many exchanges of fire and small operations, the first major battle he had face to face with the Soviet army with pure Arab personnel was the battle of Jaji in the province of Baktia 200 kilometers away from Khost. From then until 1989 he had more than five major battles with hundreds of small operations and exchanges of fire. During the period 1984-1989 he was staying more in Afghanistan than Saudi Arabia. He would spend a total of eight months a year or more in Afghanistan.

Al-Qa'edah
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In 1988 he noticed that he was backward in his documentation and was not able to give answers to some families asking about their loved ones gone missing in Afghanistan. He decided to make the matter much more organized and arranged for proper documentation. He made a tracking record of the visitors, be they mujahedeen or charity or simple visitors. Their movement between the guesthouse and the camps had to be recorded as well as their first arrival and final departure. The whole complex was then termed Al-Qa'edah which is an Arabic word meaning "The Base." Al-Qa'edah was very much public knowledge. It was funny to see some people triumphing because they discovered it!

Back to the Kingdom
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Late 1989 after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, he went to the kingdom in an ordinary trip. There he was banned from travel and was trapped in the kingdom. The Soviet withdrawal might have been a factor but the main reason for the travel ban were his intentions to start a new "front" of jihad in South Yemen. In addition, he embarrassed the regime by lectures and speeches warning of impending invasion by Saddam. At that time the regime was at very good terms with Saddam. He was instructed officially to keep low profile and not to give public talks. Despite the travel ban he was not hostile to regime at this stage. Indeed he presented a written advice in the form of a detailed, personal, private and confidential letter to the king few weeks before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

After The Iraqi Invasion
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He reacted swiftly to Iraqi invasion and saw it fulfilling his prophecy. He immediately forwarded another letter to the king suggesting in detail how to protect the country from potentially advancing Iraqi forces. In addition to many military tactics suggested, he volunteered to bring all the Arab mujahedeen to defend the kingdom. That letter was presented in the first few days of the incident, and the regime response was of consideration!

While he was expecting some call to mobilize his men and equipment he heard the news which transferred his life completely. The Americans are coming. He always describes that moment as shocking moment. He felt depressed and thought that maneuvers had to change. Instead of writing to the king or approaching other members of the royal family, he started lobbying through religious scholars and Muslim activists. He succeeded in extracting a fatwah from one of the senior scholars that training and readiness is a religious duty. He immediately circulated that fatwah and convinced people to have their training in Afghanistan. It was estimated that 4000 went to Afghanistan in response to the fatwah. The regime was not happy with his activities so they limited his movement to Jeddah only. He was summoned for questioning twice for some of his speeches and activities and was given warnings. To intimidate him, the regime raided his farm in the suburb of Jeddah by the National Guard. He was not there during the raid and was very angry when told. He wrote a letter of protest to Prince Abdullah. Abdullah apologized and claimed he is not aware and promised to punish who ever were responsible.

Fleeing The Kingdom
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Osama was fed up with this almost house arrest situation and did not imagine himself able to stay in the country with the American forces around. One of his brothers was very close to King Fahad and also close to Prince Ahmed, deputy minister of interior. He convinced his brother that he needed to leave the country to sort out some business matters in Pakistan and come back. There was a difficult obstacle, the stubborn Prince Nayef, minister of interior. His brother waited until Nayef went in a trip outside the kingdom and extracted lifting the ban from prince Ahmed. When he arrived in Pakistan around April 1991 he sent a letter to his brother telling him that he is not coming back and apologized for letting him down with the royal family.

In Afghanistan Again
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After his arrival to Pakistan he went straight to Afghanistan because he knew the Pakistani intelligence would hand him back to the Saudis. There, he attended the collapse of the communist regime and the consequent dispute between the Afghan parties. He spent great effort to arbitrate between them but with no success He ordered his followers to avoid any involvement in the conflict and told them it was a sin to side with any faction. During his stay the Saudis tried more than once to kidnap or kill him in collaboration with the Pakistani intelligence. His friends in the Saudi and Pakistani establishments would always leak the plan and make him ready for it. After his failure in sorting the Afghani dispute, he decided to leave Afghanistan. The only alternative country he had was Sudan. He left Afghanistan disguised in private jet only few months after his arrival. That was late 1991.

In Sudan
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His choice of Sudan had nothing to do with jihad or "terrorism." He was attracted to Sudan because of what was at that time an Islamic banner raised by the new regime in Sudan. He wanted to have good refuge as well as help the government in its construction projects. There was no intention from his side or from the Sudanese regime to have any military activity in Sudan. Indeed the Sudanese government refused even sending some of his followers to the front in the south. He was treated in Sudan as a special guest who wanted to help Sudan when everybody was turning away. In Sudan he mobilized a lot of construction equipment and enrolled himself in busy construction projects. He spent good effort in convincing Saudi businessmen to invest in Sudan and had reasonable success. Many of his brothers and Jeddah merchants had and still have investment in real estate, farming and agricultural industry. In Sudan he had again escaped an assassination attempt which turned out later to be the plan of Saudi intelligence.

Somalia and Yemen
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During his stay in Sudan anti-American incidents happened in Somalia and South Yemen. Neither of the two incidents was performed by his group in the proper sense of chain of command. Both were performed by people who had training in Afghanistan and had enough anti-American drive. He might have given some sanctioning to the operations but one thing was certain, the Sudanese were completely unaware of either.

Saudis go anti-bin Laden
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Between his arrival to Sudan and early 1994 he was not regarded publicly as Saudi opposition and Saudi citizens were visiting him without too much precautions. Only the well-informed people would know that he was classified as enemy to the Saudi regime. His assets were frozen sometime between 1992 and 1994 but that was not published. The Saudis decided to announce their hostility early 1994 when they publicized withdrawing his citizenship.

Bin Laden Goes anti-Saudi
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After long silence and tolerance, bin Laden replied by issuing a communiqu&#233; condemning the Saudi decision and saying that he does not need the "Saudi" reference to identify himself and it is not up to Al-Saud to admit or expel people from Arabian Peninsula. He then formed together with activists and scholars from the kingdom a group called "Advice and Reform Committee" (ARC). The ARC was, according to its communiqu&#233;s and published agenda, a purely political group. The ARC published around 17 communiqu&#233;s which might have contained harsh criticism of the Saudi regime and plenty of religious rhetoric but never contained reference for violence or incitment of violence.

Riyadh Bombing
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The car bomb in spring 1995 in Riyadh was the first major anti-American action in the kingdom. Bin Laden never claimed responsibility, but the Saudi government tried to link the incident to bin Laden by showing video confessions of four "Arab Afghans" involved in the bombing.

Out of Sudan
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Sudan was exposed to huge international pressure for hosting bin Laden and his followers, and bin Laden felt that he is becoming an embarrassment to the Sudanese. Early in 1996 he started making contacts with his old friends in Afghanistan to prepare for his reception. He fled Sudan in a very well planned trip with many of his followers to go straight to Jalalabad in Eastern Afghanistan.

In Afghanistan Third Time
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When he arrived there, the situation in Afghanistan was very unsettled between the many factions, but he had very good relations with all factions and all would protect him. The area he arrived to was under control of Yunis Khalis, a very influential warlord who later on joined Taliban.

The Khobar Bombing
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June 1996, after his arrival in Afghanistan was the Khobar bombing. Nobody claimed responsibility, but sources from inside the Saudi ministry of interior confirmed involvement of Arab Afghans, with possible link to bin Laden The Saudi government wanted to frame Shi'a, at the beginning but Americans were very suspicious of the Saudi story. Bin Laden himself never claimed responsibility but gave many hints that he might have been involved. The Saudi government has acknowledged recently that bin Laden's men were behind the bombing.

Jihad Against America
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After few months of his arrival he issued his first anti-American message, a Declaration of War. That declaration was limited to expelling American forces outside the Arabian Peninsula. His sense of security and nobody to embarrass must have been the drive to release that 12 page declaration. Interest in him by the Saudis never stopped and they tried very hard to convince Yunis Khalis to hand him over, and he flatly refused despite the luxurious offers.

Under Taliban
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Taliban swept Jalalabad late 1996, almost without war, and bin Laden came under their control. He was optimistic that they will give him sanctuary but he was not sure. He was surprised when a delegation of Taliban came to meet him by order of Mullah Omer, the leader of Taliban, with instructions to reassure him that he will have even better protection under Taliban. The delegation expressed Taliban honor of protecting somebody like him who sacrificed a lot for the sake of jihad.

Another Kidnap Foiled
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The Saudis never gave up. Early 1997 they bought some mercenaries in the Pakistani Afghani border. The operation was arranged with the Pakistani intelligence. The information leaked to bin Laden and he decided to move immediately to Qandahar, the stronghold of Taliban. The operation was then cancelled.

Credit with Taliban
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When bin Laden left Jalalabad, he ordered many of his followers to join Taliban in their war against Dostum and to protect Kabul. The unexpected happened. Taliban troops were fooled by a trap in the north and Kabul front was exposed to Shah Masood. Taliban were so disorganized at that stage that it was only those few Arabs who were there to push Shah Masood off Kabul and they did efficiently.

Face to Face With MulIa Omer
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The leader of Taliban Mulla Omer was keen to meet Osama. He met him early 1997 after two TV interviews, Channel 4 and CNN. Mulla Omer expressed respect and admiration but requested him to have low profile. He stressed that that was a request and not an order. Osama replied with appreciation and thanks and reassured Mulla Omer that he was going very low profile.

Another Kidnap Foiled
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Sometime in late 1997 a big operation was planned by the Americans. The primary plan was for American special forces to attack bin Laden's residence in Qandahar and kidnap him in a commando style operation. The plan was mocked in Pakistani desert and proved dangerous. While the Americans were reconsidering the decision, the news leaked to bin Laden, again through the Pakistani military, and he made it public. That was published in Al-Quds Al-Arabi in London. The Americans had no choice but to cancel. Americans acknowledged this incident only recently, but did not acknowledge the leak.

Lobbying with Ulema
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Bin Laden noticed that the driving force in Taliban were Ulema (religious scholars). He made very good links with them and lobbied specifically for the subject of American forces in the Arabian Peninsula. He was able to extract a fatwah signed by some 40 scholars in Afghanistan sanctioning the use of all means to expel the American forces from the Peninsula. The issue of that fatwah was an asset to him inside Taliban domain. He felt that Ulema were at his back and he can go high profile after long silence.

The International front
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His second presence in Afghanistan has attracted many mujahedeen to move there again. Among those were Ayman El-Zawahery of Egyptian Jihad and Rift'ee Taha of Jama'a Islamia. There was also new phenomenon during that period. Bin Laden decided to go pan-Islamic instead of Saudi or Arabic. He attracted Kashmiris, Pakistanis, Indians, and Muslims from the Soviet Republics. He thought at that stage that he could make an international alliance against America. In February 1998 he declared the formation of the International Front. The declaration contained two elements, formation of the front and a fatwah sanctioning killing Americans and Jews. Apart from two Arabic newspapers, the declaration had minimal coverage by the press.

Media Escalation
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After avoiding the media for almost a year he decided to open the door wide for them. In April 1998 he received the ABC TV team and two weeks later he held press conference in Khost and warned of impending attack in few weeks time. Mulla Omer was not happy with this new media escalation, but felt it difficult to control him while he is protected by the scholars. Indeed bin Laden said that he would abide with what ever the Ulema board decides

African Bombings
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The bombings in Kenya and Tanzania July 1998 were not a big surprise. Yes, it was a surprise but in terms of choice of location and targets. Despite his declaration of war against America anywhere, the attack was expected inside Saudi Arabia. Having said that, it is not [to be taken] for granted that he is behind the bombing.

The American Missile
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It is not known why the Americans chose a camp in Khost to retaliate. The camp was an almost deserted camp where only few Arabs have stayed, with a neighboring camp of Kashmiris. Bin Laden himself was hundreds of miles away, and the rest of Arab Afghans were in the northern front celebrating their recent victories.

Currently
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Since the American attack bin Laden was put in heavy protection and advised to stay hiding. His followers made another credit when they protected Kabul front again and pushed Masood forces back.

Bin Laden the Person
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Bin Laden was brought up with good manners. He matured as extremely humble and very generous person. He insists to join his comrades in every act. Very frequently he cooks for them and serves them. He lives a simple life in a small flat in Jeddah or in a shed in Afghanistan and insists on his family to eat simple and to dress simple.

He is known to be strictly truthful and would never lie, but he is politically conscious and believes there is a room for political maneuver even if you are devoted person. Despite being shy he has dominating personality. He speaks very little and looks serious most of the time. He would appear with a soft smile but he seldom laughs. His followers see a lot of aura on him and show great voluntary respect to him. For some reason that falls short of a proper charisma. He is not known for giving distinguished speeches, and there is almost no audio or video recordings of him.

He is widely educated and spends a good deal of time reading. He is fond of media monitoring and information gathering and research. There was always a data management team with him wherever he went.

Among the outstanding features is his courage. He will not show a flicker even if a bomb exploded near him. He was exposed to more than 40 incidents of heavy bombardment, three of them were full of death and flesh around him. A Scud missile exploded 17 meters distance from him. At one time he was almost the victim of chemical weapons. More than once he needed treatment in hospital for body injuries. Despite this courage he is very cautious person. He would not keep any electronic instrument close to his vicinity. Some times he even avoids any device even if it is a simple watch near him because he believes this might help in targeting him.

He is intelligent and has reasonable strategic thinking, but he downgrades himself in the presence of Islamic scholars. He always admires Shiekh Safar al-Hawali and would have not gone through his current controversial path if al-Hawali was free. Some people saw him as a man with vision, others doubt it. They think that he never had clear long term plan. They see the last fatwah as evidence of that.

Relation with Al-Saud
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Contrary to what is always reiterated bin Laden has never had official relations with the Saudi regime or the royal family. All his contacts would happen through his brothers. The brothers would approach two members of the royal family who were fairly sympathetic to Osama. They were Ahmed bin Abdul Aziz, deputy minister of interior and Abdul Rahman bin Abdul Aziz, deputy minister of defense. He might have met them in few occasions but those meetings would have been purely social or accidental in one of his brother's houses. Specifically he had no relation with Turki al-Faisal head of Saudi intelligence. He used to be very suspicious of his role in Afghanistan and once had open confrontation with him in 1991 and accused him of being the reason of the fight between Afghan factions. He was wary of the Saudi government very early in the eighties, but he thought it was wiser to keep silent and benefit from their de facto support to jihad in that period.

Relation with America
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Bin Laden has never had any relation with America or American officials. Claims of relation with CIA or other American departments are all unfounded. Since the late seventies he had strong anti-American feeling. He committed himself and family and advised all friends to avoid buying American goods unless it was necessary. He was saying very early in the eighties that the next battle is going to be with America. ... No aid or training or other support have ever been given to bin Laden from Americans. Bin Laden would bring money from individuals donating straight to him. The weapons he had were either captured from the Soviets or bought from other factions.

Relations with Pakistan
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Again there were no official relations with officials in Pakistani government. However, he had paramount respect by many Pakistanis including people in the army, intelligence and religious establishment. They were so penetrating that they would always leak any plan against him by the Pakistani-Saudi-American alliance.

Relation with Taliban
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His relation with Taliban would best be understood if Taliban themselves are understood properly. First of all Taliban are not simply another Afghan faction supported by Pakistan. Taliban are sincere to their beliefs, a religiously committed group unspoiled by political tactics. They would never bargain with what they see as matters of principle. Bin Laden for them is a saint. He is a symbol of sacrifice for the sake of jihad. They see him as very rich Arab from the Holy Land who gave up his wealth and luxury to fight for the sake of his brother Muslims in Afghanistan. They see themselves performing a double duty here, an Islamic duty of protecting this distinguished person and a tribal duty of protecting a descent refugee. The latter is a big value in Afghanistan. Once, a Taliban leader said to a Saudi envoy that if a goat would seek refuge to my tent I would never hand it over, how on earth do you want us to hand over a holy man like bin Laden?

There was no argument within Taliban about handing over bin Laden. There is however some difference in opinion about how high his media profile should be.

In addition to the factor of principle, bin Laden had twice had the credit of protecting Kabul recently.

Bin Laden became an intimate part of Taliban structure when he taught them how to deal with state affairs in a proper manner. For example, they were to be fooled by some oil and gas companies and sell the pipeline project for cheap. He advised them to learn from the Iraq-Turkey and Iraq-Syria agreements. They wanted to privatize some factories and were about to sell them to Pakistani businessmen for cheap prices. He taught them how to conduct proper bidding procedure and guarantee good prices.

Relation with Iran
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It is needless to say that bin Laden has not had any relation with Iran. Iran knows that bin Laden is a committed Sunni and he regards Iran as Shi'a state. The trust between the two is minimal but both have avoided criticizing each other publicly. Having said that, he sees America as common enemy and according to a Pakistani newspaper he regards an anti-American alliance with Iran and China as something to be considered.

Bin Laden Followers
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bin Laden has two circles of followers. First are the closed core followers who are related to him by a chain of command and take orders like a secret organization. Most of those are probably in Afghanistan. Many are inside Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia and probably Gulf countries. Like any secret group, those followers would not disclose their relation. Inside Saudi Arabia many of those would appear like any average citizen. The number of those is probably in hundreds.

The second circle is much wider and the number is probably in thousands. They are located in the same countries. They would look at bin Laden as Godfather but they do not have proper chain of command or secret links with him. They would regard themselves obliged to perform some of his general orders. Most of those followers are not organized and get trapped by the Saudi police fairly easily. But some are intelligent and make use of the loose nature of their structure to function without attracting attention.

Finance
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Before his final departure from Saudi Arabia, his financial activities were almost copies of his brothers. Indeed, he is still part of the big mother company. However he had committed himself at very early stage to a special code which he thought was necessary to guarantee the Islamic nature of this activity. For example he would never invest in non-Islamic country. He would never use banks unless it was absolutely necessary. He does not believe in stock market because he thought the investor cannot escape interest since the money has to be in a bank and produce some interest. He is also preoccupied with the idea that Jews control banks and stock market.

He had three setbacks which would have made him bankrupt otherwise. The first was the freezing of his direct assets by the Saudi government. All his traceable money was frozen including his share in the big mother company of bin Laden. No body knows the exact amount but it was probably in the range of 200-300 million Dollars.

The second setback was the loss he had in Sudan. The Sudanese government was too weak financially to pay him for the construction projects and he ended up hardly with 10% of the payment. He lost in Sudan not less than 150 million dollars.

The third setback happened last year when one of his close aids defected to the Saudi government. The defector Sidi Tayyib Al-Madani had some financial information about him until early 1995. Bin Laden knew about the plans of this man to defect and so had few months to liquidate the few businesses known to this defector. There was very little trace of those businesses but dismantling them was not without loss.

There is, however the other side of the story. Bin Laden is a member of a big family. His father's financial inheritance has not been sorted. The brothers agreed to keep many assets of the father and distribute the profits only. Most of the brothers and sisters are observing Muslims and very keen not to "spoil" their income with money which is not theirs. They believe it is their duty to let the owner of any riyal to have it. The only way they guarantee that is by letting bin Laden's share reach him. Some of the brothers and sisters believed it was their religious duty to support this distinguished brother from their own money. While many are very careful not to irritate the royal family, many more do not care and insist on letting the money reach Osama.

The way bin Laden family money is structured is very complicated because there is the big company and there are many small companies of few brothers together, and there are many individuals with their personal investment. To make the matter even more complex it is very well known that bin Laden family money is intimately mixed with the royal family money in a very complex way. Most of the companies are joint ventures with members of the royal family including King Fahad himself.

There is another big source of income to bin Laden, donations. During the early jihad era when it was blessed by the Saudi regime, he made excellent relations with many wealthy Saudis and Arabs. It is true that most of those would not support him now because of the Saudi government position but some do take the risk.

Lastly, bin Laden activities are not very dependent on money. His followers are not mercenaries. Training does not cost a lot of money. Explosives and weapons are very cheap in some parts of the world. In Somalia TNT for example is cheaper than sugar. In Yemen you can buy an RPG for less than TV set. The role of money here is over exaggerated by many writers.

Public Image
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In the eighties bin Laden was seen as a star of the Afghan Jihad. He was very much admired and respected for his sacrifice but he was not seen as a potential leader. Almost nobody saw leadership ambitions in him at that period. His public image was so good that the regime used this image to have a boost during early days of the Gulf War. The regime published a fabricated interview with him in "Al-Muslimoon" newspaper claiming he supported the regime measures to counteract the Iraqi invasion.

In the period between Iraqi invasion and his reappearance in Afghanistan 1996 he was almost forgotten by the public. The elite and especially the jihadis were still admiring him and following up his news. Some even made their way to Sudan to meet him and offer support. The public were reminded about him by the video confessions of the group attributed to Riyadh bombing.

After his declaration of jihad in 1996 his public image had a surge but this time as a leader rather than a star. There was a lot of controversy about him. In Saudi Arabia nobody would accuse him of being part of conspiracy but people would differ about his new program. There was almost a consensus in the Saudi domain on refusal of American presence in Arabia and many would like the idea of expelling the Americans by force. Many others had reservations and thought violence will bring a lot of trouble to the country. Interestingly those who disagreed with him did not accuse him having personal agenda or looking for personal benefits.

This image went on with occasional boosts by the media until the African bombings. Interestingly the story of the International Front and fatwah did not attract much attention. The Kenya Tanzania bombings reminded people of bin Laden. The media coverage was so overwhelming that the Saudi authorities felt jealous of bin Laden. People's reaction, however, was mixed. While many felt triumph for scaring the Americans, many others felt upset by the picture of hundreds of civilians killed and injured in the attack. They felt that this can never be justified.

The American missiles then played very strong role in sorting the controversy. After the American attack on Sudan and Afghanistan it became almost shameful to criticize bin Laden. People inside Saudi Arabia and in other Arab countries were full of anger towards America, and whoever can antagonize America would provide a fulfillment to their desire of discharging their anger. The American strike with the associated remarks by Clinton and American officials proved that bin Laden is a big challenge to America. In the mind of average Arab and Muslim bin Laden appeared as the man who was able to drive America so crazy that it started shooting haphazardly at unjustified targets. There was another factor which made people forget the scene of civilian victims, the special nature of the Sudanese factory. Those who had reservations of the African bombings thought that this arrogance of the Americans is much worse than the embassy bombings. Their view was that while bin Laden or others can make "executive" mistake because of their difficult circumstances, logistics and communication, America is not supposed to do this mistake unless it is done in purpose.

Interestingly the jealousy of the Saudi regime was seen clearly in the Saudi media when they instructed the Saudi TV and radio not to mention bin Laden name at all. Even when they reported the American missile attack the news item was " attack on terrorist base in Afghanistan, period".

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13-04-2006, 05:37
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ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΤΙΚΟ ΤΟΥ ΣΥΛΛΟΓΟΥ ΦΟΙΤΗΤΩΝ ΤΜΗΜΑΤΟΣ
ΠΛΗΡΟΦΟΡΙΚΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΛΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΩΝ ΠΑΝΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΙΟΥ ΑΘΗΝΩΝ


ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ Α’
Ίδρυση – Έδρα – Σκοπός

ΑΡΘΡΟ 1

Ίδρυση – Έδρα


Ιδρύεται Σύλλογος Φοιτητών Πληροφορικής Πανεπιστημίου Αθηνών με έδρα την Αθήνα και επωνυμία «Ένωση Φοιτητών Πληροφορικής Πανεπιστημίου Αθηνών»


ΑΡΘΡΟ 2

Σκοποί του Συλλόγου

α) Η προάσπιση της εθνικής ανεξαρτησίας και αξιοπιστίας της πατρίδας μας.

β) Η κατοχύρωση της λαϊκής κυριαρχίας, η προστασία του δημοκρατικού πολιτεύματος από κάθε εναντίον του επιβουλή και η διεύρυνση των δημοκρατικών ελευθεριών.

γ) Η οικοδόμηση μιας ανοιχτής κοινωνίας συνεχώς εκσυγχρονιζόμενης και ανανεούμενης με διασφάλιση του σεβασμού των ανθρωπίνων δικαιωμάτων και της αυτονομίας του ατόμου και των κοινωνικών χώρων, στην οποία άνθρωποι ελεύθεροι θα οραματίζονται, θα επιλέγουν και θα δημιουργούν σε συνθήκες ίσων ευκαιριών και κοινωνικής αλληλεγγύης.

δ) Η συνεργασία με τους νέους όλου του κόσμου και κυρίως της Ευρώπης.

ε) Η οργάνωση και συμμετοχή των φοιτητών του τμήματος για τη διεκδίκηση των στόχων του Συλλόγου.

στ) Η δημιουργία της απαραίτητης υλικοτεχνικής υποδομής για τη βελτίωση συνθηκών ζωής και του περιεχομένου σπουδών των φοιτητών.

ζ) Η κατοχύρωση της αυτονομίας των Α.Ε.Ι.

η) Η επαγγελματική και επιστημονική κατοχύρωση των αποφοίτων του τμήματος.

θ) Η ανύψωση του πολιτιστικού επιπέδου των φοιτητών του τμήματος, η συμμετοχή τους στην ανταλλαγή και προώθηση επιστημονικών πληροφοριών και η διάδοση των επιτευγμάτων της Πληροφορικής.

η) Η κατοχύρωση της ελεύθερης διακίνησης και διαμόρφωσης όλων των φιλοσοφικών, κοινωνικών και οικονομικών ιδεών στο φοιτητικό και κοινωνικό χώρο.


ΑΡΘΡΟ 3

Μέσα

Οι σκοποί του συλλόγου πραγματοποιούνται :

α) Με τη διoργάνωση ενημερωτικών και επιμορφωτικών διαλέξεων και σεμιναρίων ή άλλων εκδηλώσεων καθώς και με τη δημιουργία εντευκτηρίου και βιβλιοθήκης για τα μέλη του.

β) Με διαβήματα στις διοικητικές αρχές, με ανακοινώσεις στον τύπο, με συντονισμό της δράσης του με τους φοιτητικούς συλλόγους και τις διεθνείς φοιτητικές οργανώσεις και με κινητοποιήσεις ανάλογα με τις εκάστοτε διαμορφωμένες συνθήκες.

γ) Με δημιουργία και καλλιέργεια σχέσεων με επιστημονικούς και πνευματικούς οργανισμούς και εκπροσώπους παραγωγικών τάξεων.

δ) Με δημιουργία κοινών επιτροπών μελέτης και έρευνας για θέματα σχετικά με την επιστήμη.

ε) Με συμμετοχή των εκπροσώπων του στα όργανα διοίκησης του Α.Ε.Ι.



ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ Β'

Εγγραφή μελών - Δικαιώματα και υποχρεώσεις αυτών


ΑΡΘΡΟ 4

Μέλη

Τα μέλη του συλλόγου διακρίνονται σε τακτικά και επίτιμα.

α) Τακτικό μέλος είναι κάθε φοιτητής του τμήματος Πληροφορικής και Τηλεπικοινωνιών του Εθνικού Καποδιστριακού Πανεπιστημίου Αθηνών, που κατοικεί ή διαμένει στην Ελλάδα και δεν ασχολείται επαγγελματικά στις ένοπλες δυνάμεις ή στα σώματα ασφαλείας, εφόσον δηλώσει ότι αποδέχεται χωρίς επιφύλαξη τις διατάξεις του παρόντος καταστατικού και τις νόμιμες αποφάσεις της Γενικής Συνέλευσης του συλλόγου, αφού καταβάλει το παράβολο εγγραφής και εγγραφεί στο μητρώο μελών του Συλλόγου. Λόγος εξαίρεσης εκτός από τη διαγραφή, δεν υπάρχει. Τα μέλη του Συλλόγου που αποφοιτούν από το Τμήμα Πληροφορικής και Τηλεπικοινωνιών του Πανεπιστημίου Αθηνών παραμένουν στο Σύλλογο μέχρι να συμπληρωθούν έξι (6) μήνες από την ημέρα που αποφοίτησαν, οπότε διαγράφονται με απόφαση του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου.

β) Επίτιμα μέλη του Συλλόγου ανακηρύσσονται όποια πρόσωπα για λόγους εξαιρετικών υπηρεσιών ψηφιστούν από τη Γενική Συνέλευση με απόλυτη πλειοψηφία των εγγεγραμμένων και μετά από πρόταση 30 μελών.



ΑΡΘΡΟ 5

Δικαιώματα και υποχρεώσεις του μέλους

1) Τα τακτικά μέλη έχουν δικαίωμα :

α) Να εκλεγούν και να εκλέγονται σε όλα τα όργανα του συλλόγου.

β) Να μετέχουν ισότιμα σε όλες τις εκδηλώσεις, συζητήσεις και γενικά σε οποιαδήποτε δραστηριότητα του συλλόγου.

γ) Υποχρεώνονται να συντελούν στην εκπλήρωση των σκοπών του συλλόγου και να συμμορφούνται πάντα στις διατάξεις αυτού του καταστατικού.

Μπορούν να εκφράζουν δημόσια τις διαφωνίες τους με ενέργειες ή αποφάσεις οργάνων του συλλόγου, δεν μπορούν όμως να προβάλλουν εμπόδια στην υλοποίηση των αποφάσεων του συλλόγου.

Υποχρεούνται να καταβάλλουν τις συνδρομές τους και την τακτική ή έκτακτη τυχόν εισφορά που καθορίζει η Γενική Συνέλευση.

Κάθε μέλος δικαιούται να αποχωρήσει οποτεδήποτε από το Σύλλογο, υποβάλλοντας αίτηση για τη διαγραφή του από το μητρώο μελών, αλλά υποχρεώνεται να καταβάλλει τις τυχόν καθυστερούμενες εισφορές του μέχρι την ημέρα της διαγραφής του και δεν έχει κανένα δικαίωμα πάνω στην περιουσία του Συλλόγου. Μέλη τα οποία δεν είναι ταμειακώς τακτοποιημένα δεν δικαιούνται να ψηφίζουν κατά τις συνελεύσεις.


2) Τα επίτιμα μέλη δε δικαιούνται ψήφου, ούτε έχουν το δικαίωμα του εκλέγεσθαι, ούτε υποχρεούνται σε εισφορές. Μπορούν όμως να μετέχουν σε κάθε εκδήλωση ως παρατηρητές.


ΑΡΘΡΟ 6

Πειθαρχικές κυρώσεις

Κάθε μέλος του συλλόγου, του οποίου ή δραστηριότητα στρέφεται εναντίων των αρχών, σκοπών ή επιδιώξεων του Συλλόγου, παραβιάζει το καταστατικό ή εμποδίζει τις αποφάσεις των οργάνων του Συλλόγου παρεμβάλλοντας προσκόμματα στην εκτέλεση αποφάσεων του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου και της Γενικής Συνέλευσης υπόκειται στις παρακάτω πειθαρχικές κυρώσεις :


α) Δημόσια γραπτή επίπληξη.

β) Προσωρινή αποβολή από το Σύλλογο για μέχρι ένα έτος, αν συντρέχουν επιβαρυντικές περιπτώσεις.

γ) Οριστική αποβολή από το Σύλλογο.

Πειθαρχικές κυρώσεις επιβάλλονται μετά από πρόταση τριάντα (30) μελών του Συλλόγου. Κοινοποιείται η καταγγελία δέκα (10) μέρες πριν στο Δ.Σ. το οποίο συγκαλεί έκτακτη Γενική Συνέλευση. Σε αυτή επιτρέπεται απολογία του παραπεμπόμενου μέλους. Η αποβολή γίνεται με απόφαση της Γενικής Συνέλευσης με πλειοψηφία των τριών τετάρτων (3/4) των παρόντων. Δεν μπορεί να επιβληθεί οποιαδήποτε ποινή μεταξύ της δεύτερης Γενικής Τακτικής Συνέλευσης και των εκλογών.


ΑΡΘΡΟ 7

Παύση ιδιότητας μέλους

α) Η ιδιότητα του μέλους παύει να υπάρχει, όταν το μέλος σταματήσει να είναι φοιτητής του Τμήματος Πληροφορικής και Τηλεπικοινωνιών και αφού περάσουν έξι (6) μήνες από την αποφοίτηση του σύμφωνα με το άρθρο 4 με εξαίρεση την περίπτωση, που γίνει επίτιμο μέλος, όπως ορίζεται στο άρθρο 4.

β) Επίσης όταν το μέλος δηλώσει γραπτά στο Δ.Σ. την παραίτηση του.


ΑΡΘΡΟ 8

Τα μέλη τα οποία συμμορφώνονται προς τις διατάξεις του παρόντος καταστατικού, τους ειδικούς κανονισμούς και τις αποφάσεις της Γενικής Συνέλευσης, δικαιούνται να λαμβάνουν μέρος στις Γενικές Συνελεύσεις, να ελέγχουν κατά τη διάρκεια αυτών τις πράξεις της διοίκησης, να εκλέγουν και να εκλέγονται μέλη του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου και να ψηφίζουν στις Συνελεύσεις για κάθε ζήτημα το οποίο τίθεται σε ψηφοφορία. Επίσης δικαιούνται να απολαμβάνουν κάθε ωφέλειας και εξυπηρέτησης η οποία επιδιώκεται νόμιμα από το Σύλλογο.




ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ Γ'

Πόροι του συλλόγου

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Πόροι του συλλόγου είναι :

α) οι συνδρομές των μελών τακτικών ή έκτακτων
β) δωρεές
γ) επιχορηγήσεις
δ) νόμιμοι πόροι



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Όργανα του συλλόγου

ΑΡΘΡΟ 10


Όργανα του συλλόγου είναι :

α) η Γενική συνέλευση
β) το Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο
γ) η Εξελεγκτική Επιτροπή
δ) οι συνελεύσεις ετών
ε) οι Επιτροπές ετών.


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Γενικές Συνελεύσεις

ΑΡΘΡΟ 11

Η Γενική συνέλευση είναι το ανώτατο όργανο του Συλλόγου και αποφασίζει για κάθε υπόθεση του. Οι δε αποφάσεις της δεσμεύουν τα άλλα όργανα.
Ειδικότερα η συνέλευση :

α) Κρίνει τον απολογισμό του απερχόμενου Δ.Σ.

β) Αποφασίζει για τυχόν πειθαρχική κύρωση οποιουδήποτε μέλους του Συλλόγου σύμφωνα με το άρθρο 6.

γ) Αποφασίζει για την έγκριση του προϋπολογισμού και του ισολογισμού και κρίνει για την απαλλαγή ή όχι του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου από κάθε ευθύνη βασιζόμενη στην έκθεση της εξελεγκτικής επιτροπής.

δ) Αποφασίζει για τροποποίηση του καταστατικού.

ε) Αποφασίζει για τη διάλυση του Συλλόγου.

στ) Αποφασίζει για κάθε ζήτημα, που ανάγεται ρητά στην διαδικασία άλλου οργάνου.


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Σύγκληση γενικών συνελεύσεων

Οι γενικές συνελεύσεις των μελών του Συλλόγου είναι τακτικές και έκτακτες.

Κάθε ακαδημαϊκή χρονιά συγκαλούνται δύο τακτικές Γενικές Συνελεύσεις. Καθεμιά από αυτές ανακοινώνεται από το Δ.Σ. πέντε (5) μέρες τουλάχιστον πριν τη διεξαγωγή της. Η πρώτη τακτική Γενική Συνέλευση συγκαλείται στην αρχή κάθε ακαδημαϊκού έτους. Η δεύτερη τακτική Γενική Συνέλευση και μόνο αυτή, αποφασίζει :

α) τον απολογισμό του απερχόμενου Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου
β) την προκήρυξη εκλογών μέσα σε δέκα (10) μέρες
γ) την εκλογή εξελεγκτικής επιτροπής

Έκτακτες Γενικές συνελεύσεις συγκαλούνται με απόφαση του Δ.Σ. ή μετά από αίτηση της εξελεγκτικής επιτροπής για θέματα της αρμοδιότητας της ή μετά από έγγραφη αίτηση του ενός δεκάτου (1/10) τουλάχιστον των τακτικών και ταμειακώς τακτοποιημένων μελών με έγγραφη αίτηση προς το Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο στην οποία να αναγράφεται λεπτομερώς το προς συζήτηση θέμα. Ο Πρόεδρος είναι υποχρεωμένος στην περίπτωση αυτή να συγκαλέσει τη Γενική Συνέλευση μέσα σε τρεις (3) το πολύ εργάσιμες μέρες από την ημέρα που υποβλήθηκε η αίτηση και με θέματα της ημερήσιας διάταξης αυστηρά αυτά για τα οποία συγκλήθηκε.


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Στην ειδική περίπτωση παραίτησης του Δ.Σ. έχουν δικαίωμα τουλάχιστον δέκα (10) μέλη του Συλλόγου να συγκαλέσουν έκτακτη Γενική Συνέλευση με σκοπό την προκήρυξη νέων εκλογών. Στην περίπτωση, που το Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο πρόκειται να παραιτηθεί σε σώμα είναι υποχρεωμένο να συγκαλέσει προηγουμένως Γενική Συνέλευση.


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Η πρόσκληση για τη Γενική Συνέλευση γίνεται από το Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο και υπογράφεται από τον Πρόεδρο και το Γραμματέα του. Καταγράφει λεπτομερώς τον τόπο και το χρόνο της συνέλευσης και τοιχοκολλάται σε εμφανή σημεία και στις προβλεπόμενες από το άρθρο 14 προθεσμίες στα γραφεία του συλλόγου, στη Γραμματεία του Τμήματος Πληροφορικής και Τηλεπικοινωνιών και στις αίθουσες όπου γίνονται τα μαθήματα του Τμήματος Πληροφορικής και Τηλεπικοινωνιών.


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Στις Γενικές Συνελεύσεις δικαιούνται συμμετοχή τα ταμειακώς τακτοποιημένα μέλη του Συλλόγου.


Οι αποφάσεις των συνελεύσεων λαμβάνονται σε κάθε περίπτωση κατά σχετική πλειοψηφία των παρόντων και είναι άκυρες αν δεν παρευρισκόταν κατά τη λήψη τους το ένα τρίτο (1/3) τουλάχιστον των τακτικών και ταμειακώς τακτοποιημένων μελών του Συλλόγου. Αν κατά την πρώτη συνέλευση δεν υπάρξει απαρτία καλείται νέα συνέλευση μετά από το λιγότερο μία (1) και το περισσότερο έξι (6) μέρες με τα ίδια θέματα. Η απαρτία της συνέλευσης αυτής δεν μπορεί να είναι κάτω από το ένα τέταρτο (1/4) του όλου αριθμού των τακτικών και ταμειακώς τακτοποιημένων μελών του Συλλόγου. Αν δεν υπάρξει απαρτία ούτε και στη δεύτερη συνέλευση καλείται συνέλευση μετά από οκτώ (8) το πολύ ημέρες με τα ίδια θέματα, της οποίας οι αποφάσεις είναι έγκυρες ανεξάρτητα από τον αριθμό των παρόντων.


Για να ληφθούν αποφάσεις για την τροποποίηση του καταστατικού ή για διάλυση του Συλλόγου απαιτείται η απόλυτη πλειοψηφία των τακτικών και ταμειακώς τακτοποιημένων μελών του Συλλόγου, ενώ για τροποποίηση των σκοπών του συλλόγου απαιτείται ομοφωνία.

Τακτική ή έκτακτη γενική συνέλευση δεν μπορεί να υπερβεί τις τρεις ημέρες.


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Προεδρείο της συνέλευσης

Στις γενικές συνελεύσεις εκλέγεται τριμελές προεδρείο. Γίνεται ενιαία ψηφοφορία με ανάταση των χεριών και για τους τρεις. Πρόεδρος εκλέγεται αυτός που θα συγκεντρώσει τους περισσότερους ψήφους. Οι άλλοι δύο είναι μέλη. Επί ισοψηφίας ισχύει η ψήφος του Προέδρου. Οι αποφάσεις παίρνονται με ανάταση των χεριών και καταμέτρηση με σχετική πλειοψηφία.

Ο Πρόεδρος του Προεδρείου διευθύνει την Γενική Συνέλευση, δίνει το λόγο σε αυτούς, που τον ζητάνε και τον αφαιρεί από αυτούς, οι οποίοι εκτρέπονται, κηρύσσει την έναρξη και λήξη των Γενικών Συνελεύσεων, μπορεί, με την σύμφωνη γνώμη των υπολοίπων μελών Προεδρείου να διακόψει και να διαλύσει οποιαδήποτε συνέλευση η οποία είναι θορυβώδης και παρουσιάζει προστριβές ή αντεγκλήσεις, και υπογράφει μαζί με τα υπόλοιπα μέλη του προεδρείου τα πρακτικά της Γενικής Συνέλευσης.


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Σα θέμα ημερήσιας διάταξης της Γενικής Συνέλευσης μπορεί να γράφει οποιοδήποτε θέμα περιέχεται στους σκοπούς και στην δράση του Συλλόγου. Το Δ.Σ. πέντε (5) μέρες πριν από την τακτική Γενική Συνέλευση υποχρεώνεται να ανακοινώσει τα προτεινόμενα από αυτό προς συζήτηση θέματα. Κάθε άλλο θέμα συζητείται εφ' όσον στηριχθεί από ένα μέλος του Δ.Σ. ή δέκα (10) μέλη του Συλλόγου τουλάχιστον και υποβληθεί στο Δ.Σ. δύο (2) τουλάχιστον μέρες πριν τη Γενική Συνέλευση. Η σειρά συζήτησης των θεμάτων καθορίζεται από το Δ.Σ.



ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ ΣΤ'

Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο

ΑΡΘΡΟ 18

Ο Σύλλογος διοικείται από επταμελές Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο.

α) Το Δ.Σ. είναι το διοικητικό και εκτελεστικό όργανο του Συλλόγου και συγκαλεί έκτακτες και τακτικές Γενικές Συνελεύσεις.

β) Η θητεία του είναι ετήσια. Το νεοεκλεγμένο Δ.Σ. δύο μέρες μετά την εκλογή του συνέρχεται υποχρεωτικά και εκλέγει σε φανερή ψηφοφορία με απόλυτη πλειοψηφία των μελών του Πρόεδρο, Αντιπρόεδρο, Γραμματέα και Ταμία σε ξεχωριστές ψηφοφορίες. Την ίδια μέρα το απερχόμενο Δ.Σ. υποχρεούται να παραδώσει στο νεοεκλεγέν τα κλειδιά, τις σφραγίδες και την περιουσία του Συλλόγου με πρωτόκολλο παραλαβής, που υπογράφεται από τα δύο προεδρεία.

γ) Το Δ.Σ. έχει απαρτία με πέντε (5) μέλη. Οι αποφάσεις λαμβάνονται με απόλυτη πλειοψηφία των παρόντων. Οι αποφάσεις, που παίρνονται με απόλυτη πλειοψηφία αναιρούνται με πλειοψηφία δύο τρίτα (2/3). Οι αποφάσεις, που παίρνονται με πλειοψηφία δύο τρίτα (2/3) ή παμψηφεί αναιρούνται με παμψηφία. Δικαίωμα εισήγησης έχει κάθε μέλος του Δ.Σ.

δ) Τα μέλη του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου είναι αλληλεγγύως υπεύθυνα για τις από αμέλεια ή με παραδρομή βλάβες του Συλλόγου και μπορούν να ανακληθούν από τη Γενική Συνέλευση με απόφαση η οποία λαμβάνεται με πλειοψηφία τουλάχιστον των δύο τρίτων (2/3) των παρόντων και τεσσάρων πέμπτων (4/5) των τακτικών μελών.


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Καθήκοντα του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου

α) Το διοικητικό Συμβούλιο διοικεί υπεύθυνα το Σύλλόγο με βάση τους νόμους και το καταστατικό, αποφασίζει για κάθε θέμα σχετικό με την εκπλήρωση των επιδιώξεων του Συλλόγου, διαχειρίζεται την περιουσία του Συλλόγου, λαμβάνει όλα τα μέτρα που ενδείκνυνται για την αντιμετώπιση των διαφόρων ζητημάτων, συζητά τα εκπαιδευτικά προβλήματα και αιτήματα των φοιτητών, εκτελεί τις αποφάσεις της Γενικής Συνέλευσης και εφαρμόζει το καταστατικό.


β) Το Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο είναι υποχρεωμένο να υποβάλλει προς έγκριση στην δεύτερη τακτική Γενική Συνέλευση κάθε έτους τον απολογισμό των πεπραγμένων κατά την διάρκεια της θητείας του.

γ) Το Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο είναι υποχρεωμένο να ενημερώνει τη Γενική Συνέλευση του Συλλόγου και την εποπτεύουσα Αρχή για κάθε τυχόν ανωμαλία, ή παράνομη ενέργεια ή λήψη παράνομής απόφασης.


ΑΡΘΡΟ 20

Καθήκοντα των μελών του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου

α) Ο Πρόεδρος συγκαλεί, διευθύνει και προεδρεύει τις τακτικές συνεδριάσεις, που γίνονται κάθε δεύτερη εβδομάδα και τις έκτακτες του Δ.Σ., αντιπροσωπεύει το Σύλλόγο ενώπιον των δικαστηρίων και όλων εν γένει των κρατικών αρχών σε κάθε σχέση και διαφορά τους, συντονίζει την δράση του και υπογράφει κάθε έγγραφο, που έχει σχέση με το Σύλλογο, τα εντάλματα πληρωμής καθώς και τα πρακτικά των συνεδριάσεων του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου. Τέλος παραλαμβάνει και την αλληλογραφία του Συλλόγου. Έκτακτη συνεδρίαση μπορούν να συγκαλέσουν δύο μέλη του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου.

β) Ο Αντιπρόεδρος αναπληρώνει τον Πρόεδρο, όταν αυτός κωλύεται να εκτελέσει τα καθήκοντα του, συνεργάζεται δε με αυτόν στην εκτέλεση των αποφάσεων του Συλλόγου.

γ) Ο Γραμματέας ενημερώνει τα μέλη του Δ.Σ. στα θέματα ημερήσιας διάταξης, κρατάει τα πρακτικά των συνεδριάσεων, φροντίζει για την επικύρωση τους, προεδρεύει του Δ.Σ., όταν λείπουν ο Πρόεδρος και ο Αντιπρόεδρος, έχει την ευθύνη των βιβλίων του Συλλόγου πλην του ταμείου, φυλάσσει τη σφραγίδα το Συλλόγου και συνυπογράφει κάθε έγγραφο με τον Πρόεδρο.

δ) Ο Ταμίας έχει την ευθύνη του ταμείου το Συλλόγου και ελέγχεται από την εξελεγκτική επιτροπή για την χρηστή διαχείριση της περιουσίας του Συλλόγου.

Ο Ταμίας εισπράττει με διπλότυπες αποδείξεις οι οποίες φέρουν τη σφραγίδα του συλλόγου και την υπογραφή του εισπράττοντος, τις εισφορές των μελών και όλα γενικά τα έσοδα του Συλλόγου. Σε κάθε ένταλμα πληρωμής πρέπει απαραίτητα να επισυνάπτεται απόσπασμα της σχετικής απόφασης του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου για την έγκριση της πληρωμής και εξοφλητική απόδειξη του δικαιούχου. Ο Ταμίας είναι υπόλογος και υπέχει ποινική και αστική ευθύνη για κάθε απώλεια χρημάτων ή πληρωμή χωρίς ένταλμα. Καταθέτει στην Εθνική Τράπεζα της Ελλάδας όλες τις εισπράξεις του Συλλόγου, μπορεί όμως να κρατάει στα χέρια του ποσό, που καθορίζεται από το Δ.Σ. για επείγουσες δαπάνες του Συλλόγου. Η ανάληψη χρημάτων από το λογαριασμό του Συλλόγου γίνεται από τον Ταμία μετά από ειδική έγκριση και εξουσιοδότηση του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου. Ο Ταμίας τηρεί το βιβλίο ταμείου και φυλάει όλα τα δικαιολογητικά πληρωμής. Στην αρχή κάθε τριμήνου υποβάλλει προς το Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο συνοπτική κατάσταση των εσόδων και εξόδων του προηγούμενου τριμήνου και στο τέλος της θητείας του Δ.Σ. τον απολογισμό της διαχείρισης της περιουσίας του Συλλόγου. Αν ο Ταμίας δε συμμορφώνεται με το παρόν άρθρο και δεν εκτελεί τα όσα του ορίζει, κηρύσσεται έκπτωτος με απόφαση του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου και αντικαθίσταται μέσα σε δεκαπέντε (15) ημέρες από επιλαχόντα του συνδυασμού με τον οποίο εξελέγχθηκε.


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α) Μέλος του Δ.Σ. που απουσιάζει αδικαιολόγητα σε έξι συνεδριάσεις θεωρείται ότι έχει παραιτηθεί.
β) Αν υπάρχει μορφή, ψηφιζόμενη κατά μέλους του Προεδρείου τότε αυτό χάνει το αξίωμα του με απόφαση του Δ.Σ., παρμένη με πλειοψηφία πέντε μελών του.


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α) Σε περίπτωση που κενωθεί η έδρα στο Δ.Σ. συμπληρώνεται από επιλαχόντα του ίδιου συνδυασμού. Αν δεν υπάρχει, συμπληρώνεται από την παράταξη με το μεγαλύτερο υπόλοιπο.

β) Σε περίπτωση, που μέλος του Δ.Σ. μεταπηδήσει από την παράταξη με την οποία εκλέχθηκε σε άλλη, χάνει την έδρα, που περιέχεται στον επιλαχόντα της παράταξης με την οποία εκλέχθηκε.



ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ Ζ'

Αρχαιρεσίες

ΑΡΘΡΟ 23

α) Εκλογές γίνονται τουλάχιστον μία φορά το χρόνο με απλή αναλογική για επταμελές Δ.Σ. (καθώς και για εκλέκτορές στο Πανσπουδαστικό Συνέδριο, όποτε αυτό γίνεται) με ενιαία ψηφοφορία για όλο το τμήμα και όχι κατά έτος και σε ημερομηνία, που καθορίζεται από τη δεύτερη τακτική Γενική Συνέλευση σε δέκα (10) μέρες. Η ψηφοφορία είναι μυστική. Οι εκλογές διενεργούνται από εφορευτική επιτροπή, που αποτελείται από έναν εκπρόσωπο κάθε συνδυασμού, που συμμετέχει στις εκλογές.

β) Τα ονόματα όλων των υποψηφίων κάθε συνδυασμού καταθέτονται στην εφορευτική επιτροπή το αργότερο σαράντα οκτώ (48) ώρες πριν τις εκλογές. Μετά την προθεσμία αυτή ανακοινώνονται από την Εφορευτική Επιτροπή οι συνδυασμοί των υποψηφίων, που καταρτίζουν τα ψηφοδέλτια.

γ) Δικαίωμα ψήφου και υποβολής υποψηφιότητας έχουν οι εγγεγραμμένοι στους εκλογικούς καταλόγους, που καταρτίζει το Δ.Σ. Οι Πρωτοετείς και οι επί πτυχίω εκλέγουν και εκλέγονται. τα μέλη ψηφίζουν με την αστυνομική και τη φοιτητική τους ταυτότητα.

δ) Κάθε μέλος ψηφίζει έναν μόνο συνδυασμό βάζοντας μέχρι πέντε (5) σταυρούς. Σαν εκλογικό σύστημα ισχύει η απλή αναλογική με ξεχωριστά ψηφοδέλτια. Από κάθε συνδυασμό εκλέγονται τόσοι όσοι το πηλίκο της διαίρεσης των έγκυρων ψηφοδελτίων του συνδυασμού δια του εκλογικού μέτρου. Σαν εκλογικό μέτρο ορίζεται το πηλίκο των έγκυρων ψηφοδελτίων δια τον αριθμό των μελών του Δ.Σ. Αν δε συμπληρωθούν τα μέλη του Δ.Σ. στην πρώτη κατανομή, γίνεται δεύτερη κατανομή στην οποία συμμετέχουν όλοι οι συνδυασμοί και ανάλογα με τα υπόλοιπα των ψήφων κάθε συνδυασμού που έμειναν αχρησιμοποίητα στην πρώτη κατανομή. Οι υπόλοιπες λεπτομέρειες ρυθμίζονται από την τακτική Γενική Συνέλευση.

ε) Η Εφορευτική επιτροπή παραλαμβάνει την ψηφοδόχο, ελέγχει αν είναι κενή, τη σφραγίζει και στη συνέχεια κηρύσσει την έναρξη της ψηφοφορίας που διαρκεί από τις επτάμιση το πρωί (7:30 π.μ.) μέχρι τις εξίμιση (6.30 μ.μ.) με δικαίωμα παράτασης. Κάθε συνδυασμός μπορεί να στείλει έναν, το πολύ, εκπρόσωπο για να παραβρεθεί στην ψηφοφορία. Μετά την λήξη της ψηφοφορίας η Εφορευτική επιτροπή διενεργεί τη διαλογή των ψήφων μπροστά στους φοιτητές και ανακοινώνει τα αποτελέσματα.
Η ψηφοφορία γίνεται ως εξής :

Η Εφορευτική επιτροπή διανέμει σε κάθε εκλογέα τα ψηφοδέλτια και ένα λευκό καθώς και έναν αδιαφανή φάκελο. Όλα τα ψηφοδέλτια και όλοι οι φάκελοι πρέπει να είναι πανομοιότυποι και να μην έχουν κανένα διακριτικό γνώρισμα.

Έπειτα η Εφορευτική Επιτροπή προσκαλεί τους εκλογείς να ψηφίσουν υποδεικνύοντας ή επεξηγώντας ταυτόχρονα και τον τρόπο ψηφοφορίας. Για κάθε εκλογέα ο οποίος προσέρχεται να ψηφίσει εξακριβώνεται η ταυτότητα του, ελέγχεται από το μητρώο μελών αν έχει δικαίωμα να ψηφίσει ή όχι και προστίθεται στον επί τούτου τηρούμενο πίνακα ψηφισάντων το ονοματεπώνυμο και ο αριθμός μητρώου του. Μετά από αυτά ο εκλογέας ρίχνει στην ψηφοδόχο το ψηφοδέλτιό του και αποχωρεί. Όταν τελειώσει η ψηφοφορία όλων των παριστάμενων μελών τα οποία έχουν δικαίωμα ψήφου, η Εφορευτική Επιτροπή προβαίνει στη διαλογή των ψήφων, τηρώντας γι’ αυτό το σκοπό πίνακα διαλογής. Μετά το αποτέλεσμα της διαλογής ανακηρύσσει τους επιλαχόντες κατά σειρά επιτυχίας και καθορίζει ταυτόχρονα και τη σειρά των επιλαχόντων, ανάλογα με τον αριθμό των ψήφων τις οποίες συγκέντρωσε καθένας.

στ) Ενστάσεις υποβάλλονται κατά τη διάρκεια της ψηφοφορίας και δύο (2) μέρες, το πολύ, μετά την ανακοίνωση των αποτελεσμάτων. Η Εφορευτική Επιτροπή συνεδριάζει δύο φορές για την εκδίκαση των ενστάσεων. Η πρώτη συνεδρίαση γίνετε μισή ώρα μετά την ανακοίνωση των αποτελεσμάτων και εξετάζει τις μέχρι τότε ενστάσεις. Η δεύτερη γίνετε μια μέρα μετά την λήξη της προθεσμίας υποβολής ενστάσεων, οπότε εκδικάζονται και οι υπόλοιπες. Αμέσως μετά την εκδίκαση γίνετε η ανακήρυξη των υποψηφίων που εκλέχθηκαν.




ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ Η'

Εξελεγκτική επιτροπή

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Η εξελεγκτική επιτροπή αποτελείται από τρία τακτικά και δύο αναπληρωματικά μέλη. Εκλέγονται στην τακτική Γενική Συνέλευση με ετήσια θητεία με καθήκον την άσκηση ταμειακού ελέγχου στο Δ.Σ. και υποβολή έκθεσης σε κάθε τακτική Γενική Συνέλευση ή και σε έκτακτη αν ζητηθεί από την Γενική Συνέλευση. Τα μέλη της Εξελεγκτικής επιτροπής δεν μπορούν να θέσουν υποψηφιότητα για το Δ.Σ.



ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ Θ'

Διοικητικά όργανα ετών


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Συνελεύσεις ετών


Συζητά και αποφασίζει για όλα τα προβλήματα του έτους. Για γενικότερα προβλήματα συζητά και μεταφέρει συμβουλευτικά τις αποφάσεις της στο Δ.Σ. Οι συνελεύσεις ετών λειτουργούν με εσωτερικό κανονισμό, που επιλέγουν οι ίδιες.


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Επιτροπές Ετών

α) Οι επιτροπές ετών εκλέγονται κάθε χρόνο μεταξύ του δευτέρου δεκαημέρου του Νοεμβρίου και του τέλους του δεύτερου δεκαημέρου του Δεκεμβρίου.

β) Οι επιτροπές ετών αποτελούνται από πέντε μέλη.

γ) Υποβολή υποψηφιοτήτων γίνεται το αργότερο μέχρι εικοσιτέσσερις ώρες πριν την ψηφοφορία.

δ) Το εκλογικό σύστημα είναι αυτό, που περιγράφεται παρακάτω :

Τουλάχιστον μία μέρα πριν από τις αρχαιρεσίες για την εκλογή επιτροπής έτους γίνεται Συνέλευση του έτους, κατά την οποία ανακοινώνονται τα ονόματα των υποψηφίων και εκλέγεται έγκυρα, ανεξάρτητα από τον αριθμό των παρόντων, τριμελής Εφορευτική Επιτροπή. Ο Πρόεδρος της αναρτά πίνακα με τα ονόματα των υποψηφίων στην αίθουσα των αρχαιρεσιών πριν από την έναρξη της ψηφοφορίας.
Στην περίπτωση που υποβάλλουν σύμφωνα με τα παραπάνω αιτήσεις λιγότεροι από πέντε (5) υποψήφιοι, ο κάθε εκλογέας ψηφίζει ελεύθερα αυτούς που κρίνει κατάλληλους για τα αξιώματα των μελών της επιτροπής Έτους.
Επιτυχόντες θεωρούνται αυτοί που συγκεντρώνουν τις περισσότερες ψήφους και σε περίπτωση ισοψηφίας διενεργείται κλήρωση από την Εφορευτική Επιτροπή. Από αυτούς θεωρούνται εκλεγέντες ως τακτικά μέλη της Επιτροπής έτους οι πέντε (5) πρώτοι κατά σειρά ψήφων και όλοι οι υπόλοιποι θεωρούνται επιλαχόντες.
Οι αρχαιρεσίες γίνονται με ενιαίο ψηφοδέλτιο στο οποίο αναγράφονται σε αυστηρή αλφαβητική σειρά τα ονόματα των υποψηφίων. Αν κάποιος υποψήφιος εκπροσωπεί μια φοιτητική παράταξη έχει το δικαίωμα στην αίτηση υποψηφιότητας την οποία θα υποβάλλει προς την Εφορευτική Επιτροπή να διευκρινίσει ότι θέλει δίπλα στο όνομά του να αναγραφεί και η επωνυμία της φοιτητικής παράταξης την οποία εκπροσωπεί. Ο κάθε εκλογέας έχει δικαίωμα να βάλει στο ψηφοδέλτιο από κανέναν ως τρεις (3) σταυρούς. Λευκό θεωρείται το ψηφοδέλτιο το οποίο δεν έχει κανένα σταυρό. Άκυρο θεωρείται το ψηφοδέλτιο το οποίο έχει οποιοδήποτε διακριτικό γνώρισμα.

Οι αρχαιρεσίες γίνονται ενώπιον τριμελούς Εφορευτικής Επιτροπής η οποία εκλέγεται με μυστική ψηφοφορία και μεταξύ όσων δεν έχουν υποβάλλει αίτηση υποψηφιότητας κατά την Συνέλευση έτους, η οποία συγκαλείται την τελευταία ημέρα πριν από τις αρχαιρεσίες. Οι αρχαιρεσίες γίνονται με εξής διαδικασία :

Πριν από την έναρξη της ψηφοφορίας η Εφορευτική Επιτροπή εκλέγει μεταξύ των μελών της τον Πρόεδρο και έπειτα αναλαμβάνοντας τα καθήκοντα της, τοποθετεί πάνω σε ένα τραπέζι και σφραγίζει την ψηφοδόχο. Ακολούθως διανέμει σε κάθε εκλογέα ένα ψηφοδέλτιο και ένα λευκό αδιαφανή φάκελο. Όλα τα ψηφοδέλτια και όλοι οι φάκελοι πρέπει να είναι πανομοιότυποι και να μην έχουν κανένα διακριτικό γνώρισμα. Έπειτα η Εφορευτική επιτροπή προσκαλεί τους εκλογείς να ψηφίσουν υποδεικνύοντας ή επεξηγώντας ταυτόχρονα και τον τρόπο ψηφοφορίας. Για κάθε εκλογέα ο οποίος προσέρχεται να ψηφίσει εξακριβώνεται η ταυτότητα του, ελέγχεται από το μητρώο μελών αν έχει δικαίωμα να ψηφίσει ή όχι και προστίθεται στον επί τούτο τηρούμενο πίνακα ψηφισάντων το ονοματεπώνυμο και ο αριθμός μητρώου του. Μετά από αυτά ο εκλογέας ρίχνει στην ψηφοδόχο το ψηφοδέλτιό του και αποχωρεί. Όταν τελειώσει η ψηφοφορία όλων των παρισταμένων μελών τα οποία έχουν δικαίωμα ψήφου, η Εφορευτική Επιτροπή προβαίνει στη διαλογή των ψήφων, τηρώντας γι' αυτό το σκοπό πίνακα διαλογής. Μετά το αποτέλεσμα της διαλογής ανακηρύσσει τους επιτυχόντες κατά σειρά επιτυχίας και καθορίζει ταυτόχρονα και τη σειρά των επιλαχόντων, ανάλογα με τον αριθμό των ψήφων τις οποίες συγκέντρωσε καθένας.
Η Εφορευτική Επιτροπή μπορεί, με την έγκριση της Συνέλευσης έτους κατά την οποία εκλέγεται, να ορίσει η ίδια ημέρα, ώρα και τόπο για την εξαγωγή των αρχαιρεσιών.
Η Εφορευτική Επιτροπή συντάσσει πρακτικό για την εκλογή, τη διαλογή των ψήφων, την ανακήρυξη των επιτυχόντων τακτικών μελών της Επιτροπής Έτους και τον καθορισμό της σειράς των επιλαχόντων, το οποίο υπογράφεται από τα μέλη της Εφορευτικής Επιτροπής και τον πρόεδρο της Συνέλευσης και έπειτα παραδίδεται, μαζί με όλα τα σχετικά με την εκλογή η οποία διεξήχθη, στον Πρόεδρο του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου, με απόδειξη παραλαβής.


ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟ Ι’

Τελικές Διατάξεις


ΑΡΘΡΟ 27

α) Ο σύλλογος γίνεται μέλος φοιτητικής ομοσπονδίας ή άλλης φοιτητικής ή Επιστημονικής ένωσης εφ’ όσον αποφασίσει για αυτό η Γενική Συνέλευση με απόλυτη πλειοψηφία των τακτικών και ταμειακώς τακτοποιημένων μελών. Ο Σύλλογος μπορεί να συνεργαστεί με άλλους φορείς μετά από απόφαση της Γενικής Συνέλευσης ή του Διοικητικού Συμβουλίου.

β) Ο Σύλλογος έχει σφραγίδα με κυκλικό σχήμα, που περιμετρικά φέρει τον τίτλο : «ΣΥΛΛΟΓΟΣ ΦΟΙΤΗΤΩΝ ΠΛΗΡΟΦΟΡΙΚΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΛΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΩΝ ΠΑΝΕΠΙΣΤΗΜΙΟΥ ΑΘΗΝΩΝ» και εσωτερικά την ημερομηνία και το έτος έγκρισης του καταστατικού από τη Γενική Συνέλευση «18-12-89».

γ) Μετά τη διάλυση του Συλλόγου, σύμφωνα με το άρθρο 13, η Γενική συνέλευση αποφασίζει για τη διάθεση των περιουσιακών στοιχείων του.

δ) Για τροποποίηση του καταστατικού απαιτείται η απόλυτη πλειοψηφία των τακτικών και ταμειακώς τακτοποιημένων μελών του Συλλόγου.

Για τροποποίηση των σκοπών του Συλλόγου απαιτείται ομοφωνία.


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α) Το Διοικητικό Συμβούλιο έχει την δυνατότητα να συντάξει εσωτερικό κανονισμό με τον οποίο θα καθορίζονται τα δικαιώματα και οι υποχρεώσεις των μελών, καθώς και ο τρόπος διεξαγωγής των εργασιών του Συλλόγου. Μέχρι να συνταχθεί, να εγκριθεί και να αρχίσει να ισχύει ο εσωτερικός κανονισμός αυτός θα εφαρμόζονται οι διατάξεις του παρόντος.


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Οτιδήποτε δεν προβλέπεται από το παρόν καταστατικό και τον εσωτερικό κανονισμό ο οποίος θα συνταχθεί, ρυθμίζεται με το Ν. 281/1914 «περί σωματείων» και τις σχετικές διατάξεις του Αστικού Κώδικα και του Νόμου.


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Το ανά χείρας καταστατικό, αποτελούμενο από 30 άρθρα διαβάστηκε, συζητήθηκε και ψηφίστηκε κατ’ άρθρο και στο σύνολο του από την Καταστατική Γενική Συνέλευση στις 18.12.1989. Το καταστατικό θα ισχύει από τη χρονολογία της Δικαστικής απόφασης, που θα το εγκρίνει.



Αθήνα, 18 Δεκεμβρίου 1989



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Kertran
13-04-2006, 06:19
OVERVIEW
There are few things in life as good as your own herb, grown by yourself at home out in the garden and indoors in pots... Oregano, Dill, Basil, Sage and other herbs are all easy to grow. Mint will take over the whole yard if you let it. Fresh mint and celantro are incredible in salads and oriental dishes. But it all comes down to a truly motivational herb that is your friend and mine, a great healer and teacher to those that know it well.
Most people think of gardens as a seasonal, yearly project, but it’s actually less time consuming and more rewarding to keep the garden going year round. If one were to attempt to grow year round, indoor gardening techniques will be needed at least during winter to keep the garden producing. You will have herb fresh at all times, there is no worry of mass storage thru the winter and spring, it requires less space, and once established, requires only minimal attention every week to keep it producing at optimal levels.
The best part of being a gardener is it connects you to the earth. It connects you with nature, and is spiritually enriching. Try giving your plants energy by beaming good thoughts and energy at them every time you visit them. I find this helps me as much as it helps them; my plants seem to respond to it favorably.

GENETICS AND THE PLANT
It’s very important to start with good genetics. You should attempt to find seeds from local gardeners that are acclimated and bred for local climate and best floral characteristics. Potency, aroma, fast growth, early maturation, resistance to fungus and pests. All of these factors are considered by the seasoned gardener and you will benefit enormously by finding a friend to get you started on the journey that never ends...
Attempt to find an Indica/Sativa hybrid if possible, as this will have the best high and good characteristics for indoor growth as well. Indica plants have a heavy, stony high that is tiresome, and sativas’ are hard to grow indoors due to high light requirements, and late flowering traits, so a hybrid can be bread that will have the energetic, cerebral high of the sativa and the early maturation tendencies of the Indica plant.
The Indica plant is easily recognized by its extremely broad leaves that are very rounded on the sides. The Sativa has very narrow, finger-like leaves. A hybrid will have qualities of both and have leaves that are a cross of these two types, thinner than an Indica, but much broader than a Sativa. It is possible to recognize a good hybrid by the leaves once you know what to look for.
Look for seeds that are dark brown or light grey. Some may have dark lines inset into these colors, like tiger stripes. White, small seeds are immature and should not be planted.

INDOORS AND OUTDOORS - CONSTANT HARVEST STRATEGY
One of the best solutions to energy verses output for most home gardeners is to use outdoor light for flowering and use continuous light indoors for germination and vegetative growth. This will take advantage of the natural light/dark cycle and cut your energy use in half compared to the same operation indoors. A small greenhouse can be built of Filon fiberglass or PVC sheets that is innocuous and looks much like a storage shed or tool shed so it’s not likely to raise suspicions.
In fact, a large shed of metal or plywood can be modified with a luminous roof of PVC, glass, fiberglass or plastic sheet, and some strains that do not require a great deal of light will grow well. Such a shed will discourage fly-by sightings and keep your business your own! It also allows you to keep out rats and gophers, keeps out the neighbor kids, and can be easily locked up. It will also give you an opportunity to actually plant in the ground if you desire, and this is the best way to avoid root-bound plants (if your not using hydroponics), and get bigger harvests.
In winter, indoor space is used to start new seedlings or cuttings to be placed outside in the spring, using natural sunlight to ripen the plants. This routine will provide at least 3 outdoor/greenhouse harvests per year. If more space is available to constantly be starting indoors and flowering 2nd harvest plants outdoors, harvests are possible every 60 days in many areas, with a small indoor harvest in the winter as a possibility as well.
The basic strategy of year round production is to understand the plant has two growth cycles. At germination the plant enters into a vegetative state and will be able to use all the continuous light you can give it. This means there is no dark cycle required. The plant will photosynthesis constantly and grow faster than it would outdoors with long evenings. Photosynthesis stops during dark periods and the plant uses sugars produced to build during the evening. This is not a requirement and the plant will grow faster at this stage with continuous photosynthesis (constant light).
Once the plant is 12-18” tall, weather permitting, it can be forced to start flowering by placing it outside in the Spring or Fall. (For Summer outdoor flowering, the night must be artificially lengthened in the greenhouse to “force” the plants to flower. See FLOWERING chapter.)
Moving the plants to 10-13 hour light periods (moving it outside) with uninterrupted darkness (no bright lights nearby) will force the plant to flower. It will ripen and be 2-3’ when ready to harvest. When a plant is moved from continuous indoor light to a 10-13 hour day outside, it will start to flower in anticipation of oncoming winter. Vegetative starts moved outside March 1st, will be ripe by May 1. Vegetative starts moved outside on May 1 will be ripe by July 1. Starts moved outside Sept 1 are picked by Nov. 1st. In Winter, operations are moved indoors and a crop is planted for seed in anticipation of planting outdoors the next summer, or just for some extra winter stash.
Keep in mind that the “man” is looking for plants in the Sept./Oct./Nov. time-frame, and may never notice plants placed outside to flower in April. Be smart, make your big harvest in May, not October!

PLANTING INDOORS
A small indoor space should be found that can be used to germinate seeds; these vegetative starts are placed outside to mature in the spring after last freezes are over. The space can be a closet, a section of a bedroom, a basement area, an attic or unused bathroom. Some people devote entire bedrooms to growing.
The space must be light leak proofed, so that no suspicious light is seen from outside the house. This could invite fuzz or rip-offs.
The space should be vented. Opening the door of a closet can be enough ventilation if the space is not lit by big lights that generate a lot of heat. Separate exhaust and incoming air vents are best. One at the top of the room to exhaust air into the attic or out the roof, and one to bring in air from an outside wall or under-floor crawl space. Use fans from old computer cabinets, available from electronic liquidators for $5 each. Dimmer swithes can be used to regulate the speed/noise of the fans. Use silicon to secure the fans to 4-6” PVC pipe pushed thru a round hole cut in the floor and ceilings. Use lots of silicon to damp the fans vibrations, so that the walls do not resonate to the fans’ ocsilations.
Line the walls with aluminum foil, dull side out to diffuse the light and prevent hot-spots, or paint the walls bright white to reflect light. Aluminized mylar, 1 mil thick is best.($20 for 25 feet of a 4’ wide roll.)
Mirrors are not good to use, since the glass eats light!
Line the floor with plastic in case of water spills, etc. Set up a voltage interrupt socket and be sure the electrical wiring will handle the lamps your going to use. Always place ballasts for HID lamps on a shelf, so they are above floor level, in case of water spills. Spacers place on the floor under a ballast will work too.
A shelf above the main grow area can be used to clone cuttings and germinate seedlings. It will allow you to double the area of your grow space and is an invaluable storage area for plant food, spray bottles and other gardening supplies. This area stays very warm, and no germination warming pad will be needed, so this arrangement saves you $.
Hang a light proof curtain to separate this shelf from the main area when used for flowering. This will allow constant lights on the shelf and dark periods in the main grow area. Velcro can be used to keep the curtain in place and ties can be used to roll it up when tending the garden. Black vinyl with white backing works best.
Now you need light. A couple of shop lights will be fine if you just want to start plants inside and then take them outside to grow in a small greenhouse. They can be purchased with bulbs for about $10 each, or without bulbs for around $8. Try to find them on sale. Use one Cool White and one Warm Light type bulb in each to get the best light spectrum possible for plant growth. Do not use expensive Grow Lux type bulbs, as they do not put out as much light, and therefor do not work as well in most situations (go figure). If Cool White is all you can find, or afford, use them. They work fine, and are by far the cheapest.(About $1-2 each.)

SHELF GROWING
Shelf gardening with fluorescents may be the trend of the future, since the materials are so inexpensive, and easy to obtain. Fluorescent lamps are great for shelf gardening. In this system, many shelves can be placed, one above the other, and fluorescent lamps are used on each shelf. Some shelves have 24 hour lighting, some have 12 hour lighting (for flowering). Two areas are best, perhaps with one other devoted to cloning and germination of seed.
Shelf gardening assumes your going to keep all plants 3’ or shorter at maturity, so all shelves are 3-4 feet apart. Less light is necessary when you have plants that are this short and forced to mature early.
One drawback to a shelf garden like this is that it is very time consuming to adjust the lamp height every day, and it is harder to take a vacation for even a week with no tending of the garden. This applies mostly to the vegetative stage, when plants are growing as much as an inch per day. Lamps on the flowering shelves are not adjusted nearly as often.
Normally, the lamps should be kept within 2 inches of the tops of the plants, with the plants arranged such that they get progressively taller as the end of the lamps go up, so that all plants are within this 2” range. This is an ideal however, and if you do go on vacation, adjust the lamps so that your sure the plants will not be able to grow up to the lamps within that length of time. If enough flourecents are used to completely saturate the shelf with light, the spacing issue will not create spindly plants. They will mearly grow a little slower if the lamps are not very close to them.
An alternative is to use fluorescent lamps for cloning, germination and early seedling growth on the top shelf of a closet, then switch over to HPS for heavy vegatative growth and/or flowering in the main closet area.
Position the HPS such that it won’t need adjustment, at the top most possible point in the closet or room. Most HPS installations will not require lamp height adjustment. Just attach the lamp to the underside of shelf or ceiling as high as possible, and if you want to get a few plants closer to it, put them on a temporary shelf, box or table to get them closer to the lamp.
A shelf is all that is necessary with this type of setup, preferably at least 18” wide, up to about 24” maximum. This area must be painted a very bright white, or covered with aluminum foil, dull side out to reflect light back to the plants. (Dull side out prevents hot-spots; diffuses light better.) Paint the shelf white too. Or, use aluminized mylar, a space blanket, or any silvery surface material. Do not use mirrors, as the glass soaks up light.
Hang shop lamps from chains and make sure you can adjust them with hooks or some other type of mechanism so they can be kept as close to the plants as possible at all times (1-2”).
If the lamps are too far from the plants, the plants could grow long, spindly stems trying to reach the lamp, and will not produce as much bud at maturity. This is due to internode length being much longer. This is the length of stem between each set of leaves. If it is shorter, there can be more internodes, thus more branches, thus a plant that provides more buds in less space at harvest time.
Shelf gardening is sometimes referred to as Sea of Green, because many plants are grown close together, creating a green canopy of tops that are grown and matured quickly, and the next crop is started and growing concurrently in a separate area of continuous light. Clones are raised in a constant light shelf, until they start to grow well vegetatively, then placed on a 12 hour per day shelf to flower.

LIGHT
Indoors, 2000 lumens per sq. ft. is about as low as you want to go indoors. If you get under this mark, plant growth will certainly not go as fast as possible, and internode/stem length will increase. Also, light distance to plants will be much more critical. Daily adjustments to the lamps will be necessary, meaning you get no vacations.
2500 lumens psf should be a good target, and 3000 is optimal if your going to inject or enrich CO2 levels (more on that later).
High Intensity Discharge lamps are the best solution for most indoor growers. HID lamps come in 3 basic flavors: High Pressure Sodium (HPS), Metal Halide (MH) and Mercury Vapor. Metal Halide is an improved spectrum, higher intensity Mercury Vapor design. HPS is a yellowish sort of light, maybe a bit pink or orange. Same as some street lamps.
HPS lamps can be used to grow a crop from start to finish. Tests show that the HPS crop will mature 1 week later than a similar crop under MH, but it will be a bigger yield, so it’s better to wait the extra week.
The easiest HID to buy, and least expensive initially are the flourescent and mercury vapor lamps. MV will put out about 8000 lumens per 175 watts, and 150 watts of HPS puts out about 15k lumens, so HPS is almost twice as efficient. But the color spectrum from MV lamp output is not as good. HPS is high in reds, which works well for flowering, while the Metal Halide is rich in blues, needed for the best vegetative growth. Unfortunately, MV lamps provide the worst spectrum for plant growth, but are very inexpensive to purchase.They are not recommended, unless you find them free, and even then, the electricity/efficiency issues outweigh the initial costs saved.
400 watt HPS will output around 45k lumens. For every 500 watts of continuous use, you use about $20 a month in electricity, so it is evident that a lamp taking half the power to output the same lumens (or twice the lumens at the same power level) will pay for itself in a year or so, and from then on, continuous savings will be reaped. This is a simple initial cost vs. operating costs calculation, and does not take into account the faster growth and increased yield the HPS lamp will give you, due to more light being available. If this is factored into the calculation the HPS lamp will pay for itself with the first crop, when compared to MV or fluorescent lamps, since it is easily twice as efficient and grows flowers faster and bigger.
Lamp Type Watts Lumens per bulb Total efficiency


Fluorescent Bulb 40 3000 400 watts = 30k lumens

Mercury Vapor 175 8000 400 watts = 20k lumens

Metal Halide 400 36000 400 watts = 36k lumens

High P. Sodium 400 45000 400 watts = 45k lumens


Notice the Mercury Vapor lamps are less efficient than the fluorescent (FL), and can not be positioned as close to the plants, so the plants will not be able to use as much of the MV light. The light distribution is not as good either. MV lamps simply are not suitable for indoor gardening. Use flourecent, MH, or HPS lamps only. Halogen arc lamps generate too much heat and not very much light for the wattage they use, and are also not recommened, even though the light spectrum is suitable for decent growth.
There is a new type of HPS lamp called Son Agro, and it is available in a 250, 1000, and 400 watt range. The 400 is actually 430 watts; they have added 30 watts of blue to this bulb. It is a very bright lamp (53k lumens) and is made for greenhouse use. These bulbs can be purchased to replace normal HPS bulbs, so they are an option if you already own a HPS lamp. The beauty of this bulb is that you do not give up most of the advantages of MH lamps, such as minimal internode spacing and early maturation, like most HPS users do, and you have all advantages of a HPS lamp. One bulb does it all.
Internodal length of plants grown with the Son Agro are the shortest ever seen with any type of lamp. Plants grown under this lamp are incredibly bushy, compact and grow very fast. Son Agro bulbs however, do not last as long as normal HPS bulbs. There is something like a 25% difference in bulb life.
Metal Halide (MH) is another option, and is available in both a 36k and 40k lumen bulbs for the 400 watt size. The Super Bulb (40k) is about $10-15 more, and provides an extra 4000 lumens. I think the Super Bulb may last longer; if so, that makes it the way to go. Halide light is more blue and better than straight HPS for vegetative growth, but is much less efficient than HPS. It is possible to purchase conversion bulbs for a MH lamp that convert it to HPS, but the cost of the conversion bulb is more expensive than the color corrected Son Agro bulb, so I would recommend just buying the Son Agro HPS. Even though it costs more initially, you get more for your energy dollar later, and it’s much easier to hang than 10 fluorescent tubes.
If you have a MH 36k lumen lamp burning at 400 watts and a 53k lumen HPS burning at 430 watts, which is better efficiency wise? Which will provide a better yield? Obviously, the Son Agro HPS, but of course, the initial cost is higher. Actually, the ballast will add about 10% to these wattage numbers.
The Son Agro bulb will prove much better than the MH for any purpose. The MH bulb does not last as long, but is cheaper. Compare $36 for a 400 watt MH bulb vs. $40 for the HPS bulb. Add $15 for the Son Agro HPS. The HPS bulb life is twice as long. 10k hours vs. 21k hours. The Son Agro is 16k hours or so. Still, longer bulb life and more light add up to more for your energy dollar long term.
Horizontal mounting of any HID is a good idea, as this will boost by 30% the amount of light that actually reaches the plants. Most HID’s sold for indoor garden use these days are of this horizontal mounting arrangement.
HPS is much less expensive to operate than any other type of lamp, but comes in the 70 watt size at the home improvement stores. This size is not very efficient, but blows away FL in efficiency, so they might be an alternative to FL for very small operations, like 9 sq. feet or less. Over 9 sqr. feet, you need more light than one of these lamps can provide, but you could use two of them.
70 watt HPS lamps cost about $40 each, complete.
Two lamps would be 140 watts putting out about 12k lumens, so it’s better than FL, but a 150 watt HPS puts out about 18k lumens, the bulb life is longer, bulbs are cheaper and the lamp more efficient to operate. The biggest problem is that the mid size lamps like the 150 and 250 watt HPS are almost as expensive to buy as the larger 400’s. For this reason, if you have room for the larger lamp, buy the 400. If your going pro, a 1080 watt model is available too, but you might find there is better light distribution from two 400’s rather than one large lamp. Of course, the two smaller lamps are more expensive to purchase than one large lamp, so most people choose the larger lamp for bigger operations.
Heat buildup in the room is a factor with HID lamps, and just how much light the plants can use is determined by temperature, CO2 levels, nutrient availability, PH, and other factors. Too big of a lamp for a space will make constant venting necessary, and then there is no way to enrich CO2, since it’s getting blown out of the room right away.
Bulb Costs: the bulb cost on the 70 watt HPS is $24, the 150 is only $30, and the 400 is only $40. So you will spend more to replace two 70 watt bulbs than you will to replace one 400 watt HPS. (Go figure.) Add that up with the lower resale value on the 70’s (practically nothing) and the fact that they are being modified and are not suited to this application, and it becomes evident that $189 for a 250 HPS lamp, or $219 for a 400, might just be worth the price. Keep in mind that for $30 more, you can have the larger lamp (400watt) and it puts out 20k lumens more light than the smaller lamp. Not a bad deal!
Here is the breakdown on prices (from memory):

Type Complete Cost Bulb Cost Bulb Life Lumens

HPS 400 $219 $40 18k hours 50k

MH 400 $175 $37 10k hours 36k

Son Agro400 $235 $55 15k hours 53k

Super MH400 $190 $45 ?? 40k

MH 250 $149 $32 ?? 21k

HPS 250 $165 $36 ?? 27k

HPS agro250 $180 $53 ?? 30k

MH 150 $139 $25 ?? 14k

HPS 175 $150 $30 ?? 17k


If your looking for these types of lamps, look in the Yellow Pages under gardening, nursuries, and lighting for indoor gardening stores in your area.

SEA OF GREEN
Sea of Green (SOG) is the theory of harvesting lots of small plants, matured early to get the fastest production of buds available. Instead of growing a few plants for a longer period of time, in the same space many smaller plants are grown that mature faster and in less time. Thus, less time is required between crops. This is important to you when the electricity bill comes each month. One crop can be started while another is maturing, and a continuous harvest, year round can be maintained. 4 plants per square foot will be a good start for seedlings. 1 plant per square foot will allow plenty of room for each plant to grow a large top cola, but will not allow for much bottom branching. This is OK since indoors, these bottom branches are always shaded anyway, and will not grow very well unless given additional light and space. The indoor grower quickly realizes that plants that are too tall do not produce enough at the bottom to make the extra growing time used worth while. An exception to this rule would be if it is intended the plants are to go outside at some point, and it is expected that the light/shading issue will not be a factor at that point.
The plants, if started at the same time, should create what is called a “green canopy” that traps most of the light at the top level of the plants. Little light will penetrate below this level, since the plants are so close together. The gardener is attempting to concentrate on the top of the plant, and use the light and space to the best advantage, in as little time as possible. Use of nylon poultry fence or similar trellising laid out over the green canopy will support the plants as they start to droop under the weight of heavy fruiting tops. Stakes can be used too, but are not as easy to install for plants in the middle and back of the room, where reach is more difficult.
It’s easy to want big plants, since they will produce more yield per plant, but it’s usually better with limited space to grow smaller plants that mature faster and pack into smaller spaces. Sea of Green was developed in Holland. Instead of fitting 4 large plants in that small room, fit 12 small ones on a shelf above 12 other small plants. These plants take only 3-4 months to mature from germination to ripe buds, and harvesting takes place constantly, since there is both a vegetative and flowering area devoted to each, with harvests every 45-60 days.
It’s not the size of the plant, but the maturity and quality of the product that counts. Twice as many plants grown half as big will fill the grow space twice as fast, so harvests take place almost twice as often. Get good at picking early flowering plants, and propagate only those that are of the best quality.
6” square containers will allow for 4 plants per square foot. You may also gauge by the size of your growing tray (for passive hydroponics); I like kitty litter boxes. ($3 each at Target) Planted 4 per square foot, (for vegatative seedlings) a 12 sq. ft. closet will hold 48 seedlings on one shelf. In my case, I use 4” rockwool cubes that fit into kitty litter pans @ 12 cubes per pan. I can get 5 pans onto a 12 sq. ft. closet upper shelf, so that is 60 seedlings on one small shelf!
For flowering indoors, 1 plant per sq. ft. is a good rule of thumb for SOG. If less plants are grown in this size space, it will take them longer to fill the space, thus more electricity and time will be used to create the same amount of product. If more than one plant p.s.f. is attempted, the grower will soon find that plants thus crowded tend to be more stem than bud, and the total harvest may be reduced, so be cautious.
It’s good to avoid “topping” your plants if you want them to grow as fast as possible. It’s better just to grow 2 or 4 times more plants, since they will produce more, faster, in the same space. Also, “training” plants with twist-ties is a great way to get them to bush out a bit. Just take any type of plastic or paper twist tie and wrap it around the top of the plant, then pull it over until the top is bent over 90-180 degrees and then attach this to the main stem lower on the plant. Do this for one week and then release the plant from it’s bond. The plant can be trained in this fashion to take less vertical space and to grow bushier, to fill the grow space and force lower limbs to grow upward and join the green canopy. This technique takes advantage of the fact that if the top is pulled over, it creates a hormonal condition in the plant that makes it bush out at all lower internodes.
Sea of Green entails growing to harvest the main cola (top) of the plant. Bottom branches are trimmed to increase air flow under the “blanket” of growing tops. Use these cuttings for clones, as they are the easiest part of the plant to root. It’s also the fastest part of the plant to regenerate after flowering has occurred.

GERMINATION
Germinate seeds in sterile soil (for planting outdoors) or a hydroponic medium of rockwool or vermiculite. DO NOT (!) use a Jiffy cube #7 to germinate seeds. Informal tests and experience show these peat cubes do not work well and stunt the plants growth. Planting in vermiculite gives the seedling so much oxygen, and are so easy for roots to grow in, that the plants look large 1 week after germination!
Keep them moist at all times, by placing seeds in vermiculite filled 16oz cups with holes in the bottom, placed in a tray of weak nutrient solution, high in P. Rockwool cubes also work extremely well. When the seed sprouts, place the rockwool cubes into larger rockwool cubes. No repotting or transplanting, and no soil mixing!
You can germinate seeds in a paper towel. This method is tricky; it’s easy to ruin roots if they dry out, or are planted too late after germinating. Paper towels dry out REAL FAST! Place paper towel in a bowl, saturated with weak nutrient solution (not too much!), and cover with plastic wrap to keep it from drying out. Put bowl in a warm area; top of the gas stove, water heater closet, or above warm lamps. Cover with black paper to keep out light. Check every 12 hours and plant germinated seeds with the grow tip up (if possible) in a growing medium as soon as the root coming out of the seed is 1/16” or longer. Use tweezers, and don’t touch the root tip.
Transplant as little as possible by germinating in the same container you intend to grow the plant in for a significant period of time. Just plant in vermiculite or rockwool. You will be amazed at the results! 90% germination is common with this method, as compared to 50% or less with Jiffy Cubes. (Your milage may vary.)
5-55-17 plant food such as Peter’s Professional will stimulate root growth of the germinating seed and the new seedlings. Use a very dilute solution, in distilled water, about 1/3 normal strength, and keep temperatures between 72-80 degrees. Warm temperatures are very important. Many growers experience low germination rate if the temperatures are out of this range. A heating pad set to low or medium may be necessary, or a shelf constantly warmed by a light may do, but test it with a few seeds first, before devoting next years crop to it. No light is necessary and may slow germination. Cover germinating seeds with black paper to keep out light. Place seedlings in the light once they sprout.
Plan on transplanting only once or twice before harvest. Use the biggest containers possible for the space and number of seedlings you plan to start. Plants will suffer if continuously transplanted and delay harvesting. You will suffer too, from too much work! 13 2-liter plastic soda bottles filled with vermiculite/pearlite will fit in a cat box tray, and will not require transplanting for the first harvest, if you intend to grow hydroponically. Transplant them for a second regenerated harvest.
Cut holes in the bottom of containers and fill the last few inches at the top with vermiculite only, to start seeds or accept seedling transplants. Since vermiculite holds water well, wicks water well, but does not hold too much water, roots always have lots of oxygen, even if they are sitting in a tray full of water. A hydrogen peroxide based plant food is used to get extra oxygen to the plants when the pans are kept continuously full. The water can be allowed to recede each time after watering, before new solution is added. This allows the plants roots to dry somewhat, and make sure they are getting enough oxygen.
Use SuperSoil brand potting soil, as it is excellent and sterilized. If you insist on using dirt from the yard, sterilize it in the microwave or oven until it gets steamy.(NOT RECOMMENDED) Sterilize the containers with a bleach solution, especially if they have been used a previous season for another plant.

VEGETATIVE GROWTH
Once sprouted, the plant starts vegetative growth. This means the plant will be photosynthesizing as much as possible to grow tall and start many grow tips at each pair of leaves. A grow tip is the part that can be cloned or propagated asexually. They are located at the top of the plant, and every major internode. If you “top” the plant, it then has two grow tips at the top. If you top each of these, you will have 4 grow tips at the top of the plant. (Since it takes time for the plant to heal and recover from the trauma of being pruned, it faster to grow 4 smaller plants and not top them at all. Or grow 2 plants, and “train” them to fill the same space. Most growers find)
All plants have a vegetative stage where they are growing as fast as possible after the plant first germinates from seed. It is possible to grow plants with no dark period, and increase the speed at which they grow by 15-30&. Plants can be grown vegetatively indefinitely. It is up to the gardener to decide when to force the plant to flower. A plant can grow from 12” to 12’ before being forced to flower, so there is a lot of latitude here for each gardener to manage the garden based on goals and space available.
A solution of 20-20-20 with trace minerals is used for both hydroponic and soil gardening when growing continuously under lights. Miracle Grow Patio or RapidGrow plant food is good for this. A high P plant food such as Peter’s 5-50-17 food is used for blooming and fruiting plants when beginning 12 hour days. Epsom salts (1tsp) should be used in the solution for magnesium and sulfur minerals. Trace minerals are needed too, if your food does not include them. Miracle Grow Patio includes these trace elements, and is highly recommended.
Keep lights on continuously for sprouts, since they require no darkness period like older plants. You will not need a timer unless you want to keep the lamps off during a certain time each day. Try to light the plants for 18 or more hours, or continuously at this point.
Bend a young plant’s stem back and forth to force it to be very thick and strong. Spindly stems can not support heavy flowering growth. An internal oscillating fan will reduce humidity on the leave’s stomata and improve the stem strength as well. The importance of nternal air circulation can not be stressed enough. It will excersize the plants and make them grow stronger, while reducing many hazards that could ruin your crop.

HYDROPONIC VEGATATIVE SOLUTION, per gallon:

Miracle Grow Patio (contains trace elements) 1 teaspoon

Epsom salts ½ teaspoon

Human Urine (OPTIONAL - may create odors indoors.) &#188; cup

Oxygen Plus Plant Food (OPTIONAL) 1 teaspoon

This mixture will insure your plants are getting all major and minor nutrients in solution, and will also be treating your plants with oxygen for good root growth, and potassium nitrate for good burning qualities. Another good GROWTH PHASE mix is &#188; tsp Peter’s 20/20/20 fertilizer per gallon of water, with trace elements and oxygen added, or fish emulsion. Fish emulsion is great in the grean-house or outdoors, where smells are not an issue, but is not recommended for indoors, due to its strong odor.

FLOWERING
The the plant will be induced to fruit or flower with dark cycles of 11-13 hours that simulate the oncoming winter in the fall as the days grow shorter. As a consequence, it works out well indoors to have two separate areas; one that is used for the initial vegetative state and one that is used for flowering and fruiting. There is no other requirement other than to keep the dark cycle for flowering very dark with no light interruptions, as this can stall flowering by days or weeks.
Once a plant is big enough to mature (12” or over), dark periods are required for most plants to flower and bear fruit. This will require putting the lamp on a timer, to create regular and strict dark periods of uninterrupted light. In the greenhouse, the same effect can be created in the Summer (long days) by covering it with a blanket to make longer night periods. A strict schedule of covering the plants at 8pm and uncovering them at 8am for 2 weeks will start your plants to flowering. After the first 2 weeks, the schedule can be relaxed a little, but it will still be necessary to continue this routine for the plants to completely flower without reverting back to vegatative growth.
Outdoors, Spring and Fall, the nights are sufficiently long to induce flowering at all times. Merely bring the plants from indoors to the outside at these times, and the plants will flower naturally. In late Summer, with Fall approaching, it may be necessary only to force flowering the first two weeks, then the rapidly lengthening nights will do the rest.
Give flowering plants high P plant food and keep them on a strict light regimen of 12 hours, with no light, or no more than a full moon during the dark cycle. 13 hours light, 11 dark may increase flower size while still allowing the plant to go into the flowering mode. Use longer dark periods to speed maturity toward the end of the flowering cycle if speed is of the essence. (8-10 days) This will however, reduce total yield.
Two shelves can be used, one identical to the other, if strictly indoor gardening is desired. One shelf’s lights are set for 12-13 hours, and one is lit continuously. Plants are started in continuous light, and are moved to the other shelf to flower to maturity after several weeks. This flowering shelf should be bigger than the “starting” or “vegetative” shelf, so that it can accommodate larger plants. Or, some plants can be taken outside if there is not enough space on the flowering shelf for all of them near harvesting.
A light tight curtain can be made from black vinyl, or other opaque material, with a reflective material on the other side to reflect light back to the plants. This curtain can be tied with cord when rolled up to work on the garden, and can be velcroed down in place to make sure no light leaks in or out. If the shelf is placed up high, it will not be very noticeable, and will fit in any room. Visitors will never notice it unless you point it out to them, since it is above eye level, and no light is being emitted from it.
Flowering plants like very high P level foods, such as 5-50-17, but 10-20-10 should be adequate. Nutrients should be provided with each watering when first flowering.
Trace elements are necessary too; try to find foods that include these, so you don’t have to use a separate trace element food too. Home improvement centers sell trace element solutions rich in iron for lawn deficiencies, and these can be adapted for use in cultivating the herb. Prices for these mass produced fertilizers are significantly cheaper than the specialized hydroponic fertilizers sold in indoor gardening shops, and seem to work just fine.

HYDROPONIC FLOWERING SOLUTION, per gallon:
1 tspn high P plant food, such as 15-30-15, or 5-50-17, etc.

½ tspn epsom salts
1 tspn Oxygen Plus Plant Food (Optional)
1 tspn Trace Element food


I cannot stress enough that during the FLOWERING PHASE, the dark period should not be violated by normal light. It delays flower development due to hormones in the plant that react to light. If you must work on the plants during this time, allow only as much light as a VERY pale moon can provide for less than 5 minutes. Keep pruning to a minimum during the entire FLOWERING PHASE.
A green light can be used to work on the garden during the dark period with no negative reactions from the plants. These are sold as nursery safety lights, but any green bulb should be OK. It is best to keep the dark hours a time when you would normally not wish to visit the garden. Personally, I like my garden lit from 7pm to 7am, since it allows me to visit the garden at night after work and in the morning before work, and all day long, while I’m too busy to worry about it, it lies unlit and undisturbed, flowering away...
Flowering plants should not be sprayed often as this will promote mold and rot. Keep humidity levels down indoors when flowering, as this is the most delicate time for the plants in this regard.
Early flowering is noticed 1-2 weeks after turning back the lights to 12 hour days. Look for 2 white hairs emerging from a small bulbous area at every internode. This is the easiest way to verify females early on. You can not tell a male from a female by height, or bushiness.
3-6 weeks after turning back the lights, your plants will be covered with these white pistils emerging from every growtip on the plant. It will literally be covered with them. These are the mature flowers, as they continue to grow and cover the plant. Some plants will do this indefinately until the lights are turned back yet again. At the point you feel your ready to see the existing flowers become ripe ( you feel the plant has enought flowers), turn the lights back to 8-10 hours. Now the plant will start to ripen quickely, and should be ready to harvest in 2-3 weeks. The alternative, is to allow the plant to ripen with whatever natural day length is available outside, or keep the plants on a constant 12 hour regimen for the entire flowering process, which may increase yield, but takes longer.
Plants can be flowered in the final stages outdoors, even if the days are too long for normal flowering to occur. Once the plant has almost reached peak floral development, it is too far gone to revert quickly to vegatative growth, and final flowering will occur regardless. This will free up precious indoor space sooner, for the next batch of clones to be flowered.
Look for the white hairs to turn red, orange or brown, and the false seed pods ( you did pull the males, right?) to swell with resins. When most of the pistils have turned color (~80%), the flowers are ripe to harvest.
Don’t touch those buds! Touch only the large fan leaves if you want to inspect the buds, as the THC will come off on your fingers and reduce the overall yield if mishandled.

Kertran
13-04-2006, 06:23
HYDROPONICS
Most growers report that a hydroponic system will grow plants faster than a soil medium, given the same genetics and environmental conditions. This may be due to closer attention and more control of nutrients, and more access to oxygen. The plants can breath easier, and therefor, take less time to grow. One report has it that plants started in soil matured after hydroponic plants started 2 weeks later!
Fast growth allows for earlier maturation and shorter total growing time per crop. Also, with soil mixtures, plant growth tends to slow when the plants become root-bound. Hydroponics provides even, rapid growth with no pauses for transplant shock and eliminates the labor/materials of repotting if rockwool is used. (Highly recommended!)
By far the easiest hydroponic systems to use are the wick and reservoir systems. These are referred to as Passive Hydroponic methods, because they require no water distribution system on an active scale (pump, drain, flow meter and path). The basis of these systems is that water will wick to where you want it if the medium and conditions are correct.
The wick system is more involved than the reservoir system, since the wicks must be cut and placed in the pots, correct holes must be cut in the pots, and a spacer must be created to place the plants up above the water reservoir below. This can be as simple as two buckets, one fit inside the other, or a kiddie pool with bricks in it that the pots rest on, elevating them out of the nutrient solution.
I find the wick setup to be more work than the reservoir system. Initial setup is a pain with wicks, and the plants sit higher in the room, taking up precious vertical space. The base the pot sits on may not be very stable compared to a reservoir system, and a knocked over plant will never be the same as an untouched plant, due to stress and shock in recovery.
The reservoir system needs only a good medium suited to the task, and a pan to sit a pot in. If rockwool slabs are used, a half slab of 12” rockwool fits perfectly into a kitty litter pan. The roots spread out in very desirable horizontal fashion and have a lot of room to grow. Plants grown in this manner are very robust because they get a great deal of oxygen at the roots. Plants grown with reservoir hydroponics grow at about the same rate as wicks or other active hydroponic methods, with much less effort required, since it is by far the simplest of hydroponic methods. Plants can be watered and feed by merely pouring solution into the reservoir every few days. The pans take up very little vertical space and are easy to handle and move around.
In a traditional hydroponic method, pots are filled with lava/ vermiculite mix of 4 to 1. Dolite Lime is added, one Tblspn. per gallon of growing medium. This medium will wick and store water, but has excellent drainage and air storage capacity as well. It is however, not very resuable, as it is difficult to recapture and sterilize after harvest. Use small size lava, 3/8” pea size, and rinse the dust off it, over and over, until most of it is gone. Wet the vermiculite (dangerous dry, wear a mask) and mix into pots. Square pots hold more than round. Vermiculite will settle to bottom after repeated watering from the top, so only water from the top occasionally to leach any mineral deposits, and put more vermiculite on the top than the bottom. Punch holes in the bottom of the pots, and add water to the pan. It will be wicked up to the roots and the plants will have all they need to flourish.
The reservoir is filled with 1 ½ - 3 inches of water and allowed to recede between waterings. When possible, use less solution and water more often, to pull more oxygen to the roots faster over time. If you go away on vacation, simply fill the reservoirs full to the top, and the plants will be watered for 2 weeks at least.
One really great hydroponic medium is Oasis floral foam. Stick lots of holes into it to open it up a little, and start plants/clones in it, moving the cube of foam to rockwool later for larger growth stages. Many prefer floral foam, as it is inert, and adds no PH factors. It’s expensive though, and tends to crumble easily. I’m also not sure it’s very reusable, but it seems to be a popular item at the indoor gardening centers.
Planting can be made easier with hydroponic mediums that require little setup such as rockwool. Rockwool cubes can be reused several times, and are premade to use for hydroponics. Some advantages of rockwool are that it is impossible to over water and there is no transplanting. Just place the plant’s cube on top of a larger rockwool cube and enjoy your extra leisure time.
Some find it best to save money by not buying rockwool and spending time planting in soil or hydroponic mediums such as vermiculite/lava mix. Pearlite is nice, since it is so light. Pearlite can be used instead of or in addition to lava, which must be rinsed and is much heavier.
But rockwool has many advantages that are not appreciated until you spend hours repotting; take a second look. It is not very expensive, and it is reusable. It’s more stable than floral foam, which crunches and powders easily. Rockwool holds 10 times more water than soil, yet is impossible to over-water, because it always retains a high percentage of air. Best of all, there is no transplanting; just place a starter cube into a rockwool grow cube, and when the plant gets very large, place that cube on a rockwool slab. Since rockwool is easily reused over and over, the cost is divided by 3 or 4 crops, and ends up costing no more than vermiculite and lava, which is much more difficult to reclaim, sterilize and reuse (repot) when compared to rockwool. Vermiculite is also very dangerous when dry, and ends up getting in the carpet and into the air when you touch it (even wet), since it drys on the fingers and becomes airborne. For this reason, I do not recommend vermiculite indoors.
Rockwool’s disadvantages are relatively few. It is alkaline PH, so you must use something in the nutrient solution to make it acidic (5.5) so that it brings the rockwool down from 7.7, to 6.5 (vinagar works great.) And it is irritating to the skin when dry, but is not a problem when wet.
To pre-treat rockwool for planting, soak it in a solution of fish emulsion, trace mineral solution and phosphoresic acid (PH Down) for 24 hours, then rinse. This will decrease the need for PH worries later on, as it buffers the rockwool PH to be fairly neutural.
Hydroponics should be used indoors or in greenhouses to speed the growth of plants, so you have more bud in less time. Hydroponics allows you to water the plants daily, and this will speed growth. The main difference between hydroponics and soil growing is that the hydroponic soil or “medium”is made to hold moisture, but drain well, so that there are no over-watering problems associated with continuous watering. Also, hydroponically grown plants do not derive nutrients from soil, but from the solution used to water the plants. Hydroponics reduces worries about mineral buildup in soil, and lack of oxygen to suffocating roots, so leaching is usually not necessary with hydroponics.
Hydroponics allows you to use smaller containers for the same given size plant, when compared to growing in soil. A &#190; gallon pot can easily take a small hydroponically grown plant to maturity. This would be difficult to do in soil, since nutrients are soon used up and roots become cut-off from oxygen as they become root-bound in soil. This problem does not seem to occure nearly as quickly for hydroponic plants, since the roots can still take up nutrients from the constant solution feedings, and the medium passes on oxygen much more redily when the roots become bound in the small container.
Plant food is administered with most waterings, and allows the gardener to strictly control what nutrients are available to the plants at the different stages of plant growth. Watering can be automated to some degree with simple and cheap drip system apparatus, so take advantage of this when possible.
Hydroponics will hasten growing time, so it takes less time to harvest after planting. It makes sense to use simple passive hydroponic techniques when possible. Hydroponics may not be desirable if your growing outdoors, unless you have a greenhouse.
CAUTION: it is necessary keep close watch of plants to be sure they are never allowed to dry too much when growing hydroponically, or roots will be damaged. If you will not be able to tend to the garden every day, be sure the pans are filled enough to last until next time you return, or you can easily lose your crop.
More traditional hydroponic methods (active) are not discussed here. I don’t see any point in making it more diffucult than it needs to be. It is necessary to change the solution every month if your circulating it with a pump, but the reservoir system does away with this problem. Just rinse the medium once a month or so to prevent salts build up by watering from the top of the pot or rockwool cube with pure water. Change plant foods often to avoid deficiencies in the plants. I recommend using 2 different plant foods for each phase of growth, or 4 foods total, to lessen chances of any type of deficiency.
Change the solution more often if you notice the PH is going down quickly (too acid). Due to cationic exchange, solution will tend to get too acid over time, and this will cause nutrients to become unavailable to the plants. Check PH of the medium every time you water to be sure no PH issues are occuring.
Algae will tend to grow on the medium with higher humidities in hydroponics. It will turn a slab of rockwool dark green. To prevent this, use the plastic cover the rockwool came in to cover rockwool slab tops, with holes cut for the plants to stick out of it. It’s easy to cut a packaged slab of rockwool into two pieces, then cut the end of the plastic off each piece. You now have two pieces of slab, each covered with plastic except on the very ends. Now cut 2 or 3 4” square holes in the top to place cubes on it, and place each piece in a clean litter pan. Now your ready to treat the rockwool as described above in anticipation of planting.
If growing in pots, a layer of gravel at the top of a pot may help reduce algae growth, since it will dry very quickly. Algae is merely messy and unsightly; it will not actually cause any complications with the plants.

RECYCLING
Use pots made from squarish containers such as plastic water jugs, etc. More plants will fit in less space and have more rooting area if square containers are used. This makes your garden a recycling center, and saves you tons of money.
2-liter soda bottles work great, but are not square. 13 will fit in a kitty litter box, and these will take a 3 foot plant to maturity hydroponically. If you can get 4 litter boxes in a closet, you can grow 52 plants like this vegatatively. Spread them out more for flowering.
Old buckets, plastic 3-5 gallon containers (food and paint industries, try painters’ and resturant dumpsters), paper paint buckets, old plastic garbage cans of all sizes, and garbage bags have all been used successfully by growers.
Do not use paper milk cartons and juice cartons for reservoir hydroponics, since these are difficult to sterilize, and they introduce fungus into your reservoir trays. Inert materials, such as plastic is best.
Be sure to sterilize all containers before each planting with a clorine bleach solution of 2 tbspn. of bleach to one gallon of water. Let container and meduim such as rockwool soak for several hours in the solution before rinsing thouroghly.

PLANTING OUTDOORS
Outdoor growing is the best. Outdoor pot by far is the strongest, since it gets more light, it’s naturally more robust. No light leak problems. No dark periods that keep you out of your grow room. No electricity bills.
Sunlight tends to reach more of the plant, if your growing in the direct sun. Unlike growing indoors, the bottom of the plant will be almost as developed as the top.
Outdoors, outside of a greenhouse, there are many factors that can kill your crop. Deer will try to eat them. Chipmonks and rodents too. Bugs will inhabit them, and the wind and rain can whip your little buds to pieces if they are exposed to strong storms. For this reason, indoor pot can be better than outdoor, but the best smoke I ever tasted was outdoor pot, so that tells you something; nothing beats the sun.
Put up a fence and make sure it stays up. Visit your plot at least once every two weeks, and preferably more often if water needs demand.
It’s a good idea to use soil if you don’t have a green house, since hydroponics will be less reliable outside in the open air, due mostly to evaporation.
Light exposure is all important when locating a site for a greenhouse or outdoor plot. A backyard grower will need to know where the sun shines for the longest period; privacy and other factors will enter in as well. Try to find an innocuous spot that gets full winter sun from mid morning to mid afternoon, at least from 10-4, preferably 8-5. This will be really asking for a lot if you live north of 30 degrees latitude since days are short in winter. Since most gardeners will not want to use the greenhouse in the middle of the winter, you can still use winter sun as an indicator of good spring and fall lighting exposures. Usually the south side of a hill gets the most sun. Also, large areas open to the sun on the north side of the property will get good southern exposures. East and West exposures can be good if they get the full morning/afternoon sun and mid-day sun as well. Some books say the plants respond better to morning-only sun, verses afternoon-only sun, so if you have to choose between the two, morning sun may be better.
Disguise your greenhouse as a tool shed, or similar structure, by using only one wall and a roof of white opaqued plastic, PVC, Filon, or glass, and using a similar colored material for the rest of the shed, or painting it white or silvery, to look like metal. Try to make it appear as if it has always been there, with plants and trees that grow around it and mask it from view while allowing sun to reach it.
Filon (corrugated fiberglass)or PVC plastic sheets can be used outside to cover young plants grown together in a garden. Buy the clear greenhouse sheets, and opaque them with white wash (made from lime) or epoxy resin tinted white or grey and painted on in a thin layer. This will pass more sun than white PVC or Filon, and still hide the plants. Epoxy resin coats will preserve the Filon for many more seasons than it would otherwise last. It will also allow you to disguise the shed as metal, if you paint the clear filon sheets with a thin layer of resin tinted light grey. Paint will work as well, but may not protect as much. Be careful to use only as much as needed, to reduce sun blockage to a minimum.
Dig a big hole, don’t depend on the plant to be able to penetrate the clay and rubble unless your sure of the quality of topsoil in the area. Grassy fields would have good top soil, but your back yard may not. This alone can make the difference between an average 5’ tall plant, and a 10’ monster by harvest time. Growing in the ground will always beat a pot, since the plant will never become root bound in the ground. Plants grown in the ground should grow much larger, but will need more space for each plant, so plan accordingly, you can’t move them once they’re in!
You may want to keep outdoor plants in pots so they can be easily moved. A big hole will allow the pot to be place in it, thus reducing the height of the plant, if fence level is an issue. Many growers find pots have saved a crop that had to be moved for some unexpected reason (repairman, appraiser, fire, etc.).
It’s always best to put a roof over your plants outdoors. When I was a lad, we had plants growing over the fence line in the back yard. We started to build a greenhouse roof for them, and a cop saw us hauling wood, thought we were stealing it (which we were not) and looked over the fence at us and our lovely plants. We were busted, because he saw them. If he had seen a shed roof instead, there would never have been a problem. Moral of the Story: build the roof BEFORE the plants are sticking over the fence! Or train them to stay well below it. Live and learn...
When growing away from the house, in the wild, water is the biggest determining factor, after security. Water must be close by, or close to the soil surface, or you will have to pack water in. Water is heavy and this is very hard work. Try to find an area close to a source of water if possible, and keep a bucket nearby to carry water to your plot.
A novel idea in this regard is to find high water in the mountains, at altitude, and then route it down to a lower spot close by. It is possible to create water presure in a hose this way, and route it to a drip system that feeds water to your plants continuously. Take a 5 gallon gas can, and punch small holes in it. Run a hose out of the main orifice and secure it somehow. Bury the can in a river or stream under rocks, so that it is hidden and submerged. Bury the hose coming out of it, and run it down hill to your garden area. A little engineering can save you a lot of work, and this rig can be used year after year.

GUERRILLA GARDENING
Guerrilla farming refers to farming away from your own property, or in a remote location of your property where people seldom roam around. It is possible to find locations that for one reason or another are not easily accessible or are privately owned.
Try to grow off your property, on adjacent property, so that if your plot is found, it will not be traceable back to you. If it’s not on your property, nobody has witnessed you there, and there is no physical evidence of your presence (footprints, fingerprints, trails, hair, etc.), then it is virtually impossible to prosecute you for it, even if the cops think they know who it belongs to.
Never admit to growing, to anyone. Your best defence is that your just passing thru the area, and noticed something you decided to take a look at, or carry a fishing pole or binoculars and claim fishing or bird watching.
Never tell anyone but a partner where the plants are located. Do not bring visitors to see them, unless it is harvest time, and the plants will be pulled the same or following day.
Make sure your plants are out of sight. Take a different route to get to them if they are not in a secure part of your property, and cover the trail to make it look as if there is no trail. Make cut backs in the trail, so that people on the main trail will tend to miss the cut-back to the grow area. Don’t park on the main road, always find a place to park that will not arouse suspicion by people that pass on the road. Have a safe house in the area if you are not planting close to home. Always have a good reason for being in the area and have the necessary items to make your claim believable.
Briar and poison oak patches are perfect if you can cut through it. Poison Oak must be washed away before an allergic reaction takes place. Teknu is a special soap solution that will deactivate poison oak before it has time to create a reaction. Apply Teknu immediately after contact and take a shower 30 mins. later.
Try to plant under trees, next to bushes and keep only a few plants in any one spot. Train or top the plants to grow sideways, or do something to prevent the classic christmas tree look of most plants left to grow untrained. Tying the top down to the ground will make the plants branches grow up toward the sun, and increase yield, given a long enough growing season. Plants can be grown under trees if the sun comes in at an angle and lights the area for several hours every day. Plants should get at least 5 hours of direct sun every day, and 5 more hours of indirect light. Use shoes that you can dispose of later and cover your foot prints. Use surgical gloves and leave no fingerprints on pots and other items that might ID you to the fuzz...in case your plot is discovered by passers by.
Put up a fence, or the chipmonks, squirles and deer will nibble on your babies until there is nothing left. Green wire mesh and nylon chicken fencing net work great and can be wrapped around trees to create a strong barrier. Always check it and repair every visit you make to the garden. A barrier of fishing line, one at 18” and another at 3’ will keep most deer away from your crop.
Gopher Granola is available for areas such as the N. CA mountains, where wood rats and gophers will eat your crop if given any opportunity to do so. The best fence in the world will not keep rats away from your plants! Do not use soap to keep dear away, it will attract rats! (The fat in the soap is edible for them.) Put the poison grain in a feeder than only small rodents can enter, so that birds and deer can’t eat it. Set out poison early, before actual planting. The rats must eat the grain for several days before it will have any effect on them. Ultimately, you may find it’s easier to grow in a greenhouse shed in your own backyard rather than try to keep the rats from eating your outdoor plot.
When growing away from the house, in the wild, water is the biggest determining factor, after security. The amount you can grow is directly proportional to the water available. If you must pack-in water, carry it in a backpack in case your seen in-route to your garden; you will appear to be merely a hiker, not a grower.
Transporting vegatative starts to the growing area is a most tricky aspect of growing outdoors. Usually, you will want to start plant indoors, or outside in your garden, then transport them to the grow site once they are firmly established. It may be desirable to first detect and separate males from females so that no effort of transporting/transplanting/watering males is incurred.
One suggestion is to use 3” rockwool cubes to start seedlings in, then put 20 of them in a litter pan, cover it with another pan, and transport this to the grow site. The cubes can be planted directly into soil. If spotted inroute to the grow area, burying a dead cat may be a good excuse for being in the area. Few people would demand to see the rotting corpse!
One outdoor grower we know has given up on seeds. He has several strains he likes to clone, so he starts 200 clones in his closet, then transports them outdoors in boxes to the grow site. No males, no differentiation, no weeding, no germinating seeds, no genetic uncertainties, no crops grown for seed, no transporting/transplanting/watering plants your just going to pull up later, no pollination nightmares, no wasted effort!

SOIL GROWING
Use Super Soil brand in California, as this is the only known soil on the West Coast that is guaranteed to be good. Many other brands are mostly wood products and have very few nutrients, are too moist, etc. Add vermiculite, pearlite or sand to Super Soil to increase it’s drainage and aeration.
Organic gardeners use their own compost prepaired from a mixture of chicken, cow or other manure and household food waste, leaves, lawn clippings, dog hair and other waste products including urine, which is high in nitrogen. Dog hair is not recommended for guerilla gardeners planting off their property where police could find it. DNA tests could prove it was YOUR dog’s hair!
Use P4 water crystals in the soil to give the plants a few days worth of emergency water reserves. This substance swells up with water and holds it like a sponge, so that roots will have a reserve if harsh drought makes constant watering necessary. Go real easy on this stuff though, it tends to sink to the bottom of the pot and suffocate bottom roots (new growth roots) and stunts the plant. Use in extreme moderation, let it swell up for at least an hour before mixing with other soil.
Plant size in soil is directly related to pot size. If you want the plant to grow bigger, put it in a bigger pot. Usually, ½ gallon per foot of plant is sufficient. A six foot plant would require a minimum of a 3 gallon pot. Remember, square containers have more volume in a square space (like a closet).
Planting in the ground is always preferable when growing in soil. The plants can then grow to any size, unlimited by pot size.
Bat Guano, chicken manure, or worm castings can all be used to fertilize organically in soil. Manures can burn, so they should be composted with the soil first, before planting, over several weeks. Sea weed is available to provide a rich trace mineral source that breaks down slowly and constantly feeds the plants.
If growing outdoors in available soil, look around for leaves and other natural sources of nitrogen and work them into the soil, along with some dolmite lime and composted organic fertilizer. Even small amounts of plant food such as Miracle Grow can be added to soil at this time. (Organic gardeners frown upon this practice, however. Toxic wastes are produced by commercial fertilizer production.) Mulch can be made from leaves and spread out over the garden area to hold in moisture and keep down weeds near the plants.

SUBTREFUGE
Its interesting that pot plants really do blend in with other plants to the point that they are unidentifiable by all but the most observant. I remember a relative of the family on a visit to Texas showed me his corn in the garden and I was standing 3’ away from several pot plants before I recognized them for what they were.
Plants started outdoors late in the season never get very big and never attract the least bit of attention when placed next to plants of similar or taller stature. Even tall plants grown among several trees will be almost invisible in their camouflage.
Outdoors the object is to control access to an area, and not to arouse suspicion. Tuck them here and there, never in a recognizable pattern. Space them out, and fit them in to the existing landscape such that they get full sun, but they’re hidden or blend in. Fence lines and groups of several together are best. Try to find strains that seem to match the surrounding plants. Feed nitrogen to your plants if they need to be greener to blend in. Some growers even use plastic red flowers, pinned to a plant, disguising it as a flower bush.
Visit the plants at night on full moons, and if your visible to neighbors, appear to be pruning a tree, mowing the lawn, or doing something in the yard that makes you invisible.
Dig a hole and put a potted plant in it. The plant’s height will be reduced by at least a foot.
Some growers top the plant when it is 12” high, and grow the 2 tops horizontally along a trellis. The plant will never be over 3 feet tall, and never arouses suspicion from neighbors. This type of plant can even be grown in your yard in full view. Many stories abound of having the neighbors over for a BBQ and nobody ever noticed the nice plants over by the fence...

PLANT FOOD AND NUTRIENTS
Plant foods have 3 main ingredients that will be the mainstay of the garden, Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium. These 3 ingredients are usually listed on the front label of the plant food in the order of N-P-K. A 20-20-20 plant food has a Nitrogen level of 20%.
Secondary nutrients are Calcium, Sulphur and Magnesium. In trace quantities, boron, copper, molybenum, zink, iron, and manganese.
Depending on stage of growth, different nutrients are needed at different times. For rooting and germination, levels of high P nutrients with less N/K are needed. Vegetative growth needs lots of N, and human urine is one of the better sources, (mix 8 ounces to 1 gallon water), although it is not a complete fertilizer unto itself. 20-20-20 with trace elements should do it; I like Miracle Grow Patio food. Watch for calcium, magnesium, sulfur and iron levels too. These are important. One tablespoon of dolomite or hydrated lime is used per gallon of growing medium when a hydroponic medium is first brought on-line, to provide nitrogen, calcium and magnesium. Epsom salts are used to enhance magnesium and sulphur levels in solution.
Tobacco grown with potassium nitrate burns better. Plant foods with PN (P2N3) are foods such as Miracle Grow. This is an excellent fertilizer for vegetative growth, or through the flowering cycle as well. Consider however, potassium nitrate is also known as Salt Peter, and is used to make men have less sexual desire or impotent, such as in mental institutions. So if certain plants are destined for cooking, you might use Fish Emulsion or some other totally organic fertilizer on these plants, at least in the last weeks of flowering.
Most hydroponic solutions should be in the range of 150-600 parts per million in disolved solids. 300-400 ppm is optimum. It is possible to test your solution or soil with a electrical conductivity meter if your unsure of what your giving your plants.
Keep in mind most disolved solids readings are usually on the low side, and actual nutrient levels are usually higher. It is possible with passive hydroponics, to get nutrient build-up over several feedings, to the point the medium is over saturated in nutrients. Just feed straight water now and again, until you notice the plants are not as green (slightly), then resume normal feeding.
“Pumping” is when you use more waterings to make the plants grow faster. This is dangerous if you proceed in a reckless manner, due to potential over-watering problems. You must go slowly and watch the plants daily and even hourly at first to be sure your not over-watering the plants. Use weaker plant food mixtures than normal, maybe 25%, and be sure your leaching once a month and running straight water through the plants at least every other time you water. This applies mainly to plants grown in soil mediums.
Use of light strength Oxygen Plus plant food (or Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide) allows the roots to breath better and prevents problems with over-watering. Check soil to be sure there are no PH anomalies that might be due to Hydrogen Peroxide in the solution. (One experienced grower told me he would not use H2O2 (HP) due to possible PH problems. This should not be a problem if your checking PH and correcting for it in watering solutions.)
Be sure your medium has good drainage. At this point, if your watering soil based plants once a week, you can water every 3-5 days instead if you plant them in a medium with better drainage. Pearlite or lava rock will greatly increase the drainage of the medium and make watering necessary more often. This will pump the plants; they will tend to grow faster because of the enhanced oxygen to the roots. Make sure the plant medium is almost dry before watering again, as the plant grows faster this way.
An alternative is to use a standard plant food mixture (stronger) once every 3 waterings. The nutrients are suspended in the medium and stored in the soil for later use. The nutrients are washed out by 2 straight waterings afterward and there is no salts build up in the soil. (Does not apply to hydroponics.)
Stop all plant food 2 weeks before harvesting, so that the plants don’t taste like plant food. (This applies to hydroponics as well.)
WARNING: Do not over-fertilize. It will kill your plants. Always read the instructions for the fertilizer being used. Use ½ strength if adding to the water for all feedings in soil or hydroponics if you are unsure of what your plants can take. Build up slowly to higher concentrations of food over time. Novice soil growers tend to over-fertilize their plants. Mineral salts build up over time to higher levels of disolved solids. Use straight water for one feeding in hydroponics if it is believed the buildup is getting too great. Leach plants in pots every month. If your plants look REALLY green, withhold food for a while to be sure they are not being over-fed.

PH AND FERTILIZERS
PH can make or break your nutrient solution. 6.7-6.2 is best to ensure there is no nutrient lock-up occurring. Hydroponics requires the solution to be PH corrected for the medium before exposing to the plants. Phosphoresic acid can make the PH go down; lime or potash can take it up when it gets too acid. Buy a PH meter for $10 and use it in soil, water, and hydroponic medium to make sure your not going alkaline or acid over time. Most neutral mediums can use a little vinegar to make them just this side of 7 ph to 6.5 or so.
Most fertilizers cause a ph change in the soil. Adding fertilizer to the soil almost always results in a more acidic ph.
As time goes on, the amount of salts produced by the breakdown of fertilizers in the soil causes the soil to become increasingly acidic and eventually the concentration of these salts in the soil will stunt the plant and cause browning out of the foliage. Also, as the plant gets older its roots become less effective in bringing food to the leaves. To avoid the accumulation of these salts in your soil and to ensure that your plant is getting all of the food it needs you can begin leaf feeding your plant at the age of about 1.5 months. Dissolve the fertilizer in worm water and spray the mixture directly onto the foliage. The leaves absorb the fertilizer into their veins. If you want to continue to put fertilizer into the soil as well as leaf feeding, be sure not to overdose your plants.

FOLAIR FEEDING
Folair feeding seems to be one of the easiest ways of increasing yield, growth speed, and quality in a well vented space, with or without elevated CO2 levels. Just prepare a tea of worm castings, fish emulsion, bat guano, or most any other plant food right for the job and feed in vegetative and early flowering stages. It is not recommended for late flowering, or you will be eating the sprayed-on material later. Stop foliar feeding 2-3 weeks before harvesting. Wash off the leaves with straight water every week to prevent clogging the stomata of the leaves. Feed daily or every other day.
Best times of day to Foliar feed are 7-10Am and after 5 in the evening.
This is because the stomata on the underside of the leaves are open then. Also, the best temperature is about 72 degrees, and over 80, they may not be open at all. So find the cooler part of the day if it’s hot, and the warmer part of the day if it’s cold out. You may need to spray at 2AM if that’s the coolest time available. The sprayer used should atomize the solution to a very fine mist; find your best sprayer and use it for this. Make sure the PH is between 7 and 6.2. Use baking soda to make the solution higher PH, and vinegar to make the solution lower PH. It’s better to spray more often and use less, than to drench the plants infrequently. Use a wetting agent to prevent the water from beading up, and thereby burning the leaves as they act as small prisms.Make sure you don’t spray a hot bulb; better yet, spray only when the bulb has cooled.
Perhaps the best foliar feeding includes using seltzer water and plant food at the same time. This way, CO2 and nutrients are feed directly to the leaves in the same spray.
Foliar feeding is recognized in most of the literature as being a good way to get nutrients to the plant later when nutrient lockup problems could start to reduce intake from the roots.
WARNING!: It is important to wash leaves that are harvested before they are dried, if you intend to eat them, since they may have nitrate salts on them.
NOTE: One grower who reviewed this document comments: “Fish emulsion smells. Bat guano could be highly unsanitary. Stick to the Rapid-Gro, MgSO4 (epsom salts), hydroponic trace element solution. Nitrate salts (The “N” in NPK) are unhealthy to smoke. Personally, I never foliar feed.”
Above is a great comment, and there is great wisdom in an organic, non-toxic garden. Personally, I use only CO2 on my indoor hydroponic plants, and never folar feed. It simply does not seem to be necessary when using hydroponics.

CO2
Elevating carbon dioxide levels can increase growth speed a great deal, perhaps even double it. It seems that the plant evolved in primordial times when natural CO2 levels were many times what they are today. The plant uses CO2 for photosynthesis to create sugars it uses to build plant tissues. Elevating the CO2 level will increase the plants ability to manufacture these sugars and plant growth rate is enhanced considerably.
CO2 can be a pain to manufacture safely, cheaply, and/or conveniently, and is expensive to set up if you use a CO2 tank system. CO2 is most usable for flowering, as this is when the plant is most dense and has the hardest time circulating air around its leaves. If your strictly growing vegetatively indoors, (transferring your plants outdoors to flower), then CO2 will not be a major concern unless you have a sealed greenhouse, closet or bedroom, and wish to increase yield and decrease flowering time.
For a medium sized indoor operation, one approach is to used CO2 canisters from wielding supply houses. This is expensive initially, but fairly inexpensive in the long run. These systems are good only if your area is not too big or too small.
The basic CO2 tank system looks like this:

20 lb tank $100
Regulator $159
Timer or controller $10-125
Fill up $15-20
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Worst case = $395 for CO2 tank setup synced to a exhaust fan with a thermostat.

CO2 is cheaply produced by burning Natural Gas. However, heat and Carbon Monoxide must be vented to the outside air. CO2 can be obtained by buying or leasing cylinders from local welding supply houses. If asked, you can say you have an old mig welder at home and need to patch up the lawnmower (trailer, car, etc.)
For a small closet, one tank could last 2 months, but it depends on how much is released, how often the room is vented, hours of light cycle, room leaks, enrichment levels and dispersion methods. This method may be overkill for your small closet.
It is generally viewed as good to have a small constant flow of CO2 over the plants at all times the lights are on, dispersed directly over the plants during the time exhaust fans are off.
Opportunities exist to conserve CO2, but this can cost money. When the light is off you don’t need CO2, so during flowering, you will use half as much if you have the CO2 solenoid setup to your light timer. When the fan is on for venting, CO2 is shut off as well. This may be up to half the time the light is on, so this will affect the plants exposure times and amount of gas actually dispensed.
Environmentally, using bottled gas is better, since manufacturing it adds to greenhouse effect, and bottled CO2 is captured as part of the manufacturing process of many materials, and then recycled. Fermenting, CO2 generators, and baking soda and vinegar methods all generate new CO2 and add to greenhouse effect.
CO2 generation from fermentation and generators is possible. A simple CO2 generator would be a propane heater. This will work well, as long as the gases can be vented to the grow area, and a fan is used to keep the hot CO2 (that will rise) circulating and available below at the plants level. Fire and exhaust venting of the heat are issues as well. A room that must be vented 50% of the time to rid the environment of heat from a lamp and heater will not receive as much CO2 as a room that can be kept unvented for hours at a time. However, CO2 generators are the only way to go for large operations.
Fermentation or vinegar over baking soda will work if you don’t have many vent cycles, but if you have enough heat to make constant or regular venting necessary, these methods become impractical. Just pour the vinegar on baking soda and close the door, (you lose your CO2 as soon as the vent comes on). This method leaves a great deal to be desired, since it is not easy to regulate automatically, and requires daily attention. It is possible however, to create CO2 by fermentation, let the wine turn to vinegar, and pour this on baking soda. It’s the most cost-effective setup for most closet growers, for whom $400 in CO2 equipment is a bit much to swallow.
In fermentation, yeast is constantly killing itself; it takes a lot of space. You need a big bin to constantly keep adding water to, so that the alcohol levels will not rise high enough to kill the yeast. Sugar is used quickly this way, and a 10 pound sack will run $3.50 or so and last about 2-3 weeks. This is also difficult to gauge what is happening as far as amounts actually released. A tube out the top going into a jar of water will bubble and demonstrate the amount of CO2 being produced.
Try sodium bicarbonate mixed with vinegar, 1 tsp: ~30cc- this will gush up all frothy as it releases CO2. do it just before you close the door on your plants. A MUCH cheaper way to provide CO2 is 2 Oz sugar in 2 liters of water in a bottle [sterilized 1st with bleach and water, then rinsed], plus a few cc urine[!] or if you insist, yeast nutrient from a home brewing supplier. Add a brewing yeast, shake up and keep at 25 deg celsius[~70 F] . Over next 2 weeks or so it will brew up about ½ Oz CO2 for every Oz sugar used. Keep a few going at once, starting a new one every 3 days or so. With added CO2 growth is phenomenal!!! I personally measured 38cm growth in 8 days under a 250watt HPS bulb[tubular clear, Horizontal mount].
A good container is a 1 gallon plastic milk jug, with a pin-hole in the cap. Also, the air-lock from a piece of clear tube running into a jar filled with water will keep microbes out and demonstrate the fermentation is working.
A variation is to spray seltzer water on the plants twice a day. This is not recommended by some authorities, and receives great raves by people who seem to feel it has enhanced their crop. It stands to reason this would work for only a small unvented closet, but may be right for some situations. It could get expensive with a lot of plants to spray. Use seltzer, not club soda, since it contains less sodium that could clog the plants stomata. Wash your plants with straight water after 2 or 3 seltzer sprays. It’s a lot of work, and you can’t automate it, but maybe that’s good! Remember, being with the plants is a beautiful experience, and brings you closer to your spiritual self and the earth. Seltzer is available at most grocery stores (I get it at Lucky’s @ .79 for a 2 litter bottle). Club soda will work if seltzer water is not available; but it has twice as much sodium in it. A very diluted solution of Miracle Grow can be sprayed on the plant at the same time. One factor of using selzter water is it raises humidity levels. Make sure your venting humidity during the dark cycle, or you could risk fungus and increased internode length.
CAUTION: Don’t spray too close to a hot bulb! Spray downward only, or turn off the lamp first.
Even though CO2 enrichment can mean 30-100% yield increases, the hassle, expense, space, danger, and time involved can make constant or near constant venting a desirable alternative to enrichment. As long as the plant has the opportunity to take in new CO2 at all times, from air that is over 200 ppm CO2, the plants will have the required nutrients for photosynthesis. Most closets will need new CO2 coming in every two or three hours, minimum. Most citys’ will have high concentrations of CO2 in the air, and some growers find CO2 injection unnecessary in these circumstances.
Some growers have reported to High Times that high CO2 levels in the grow room near harvest time lower potency. It may be a good idea to turn off CO2 2 weeks before harvesting.

VENTING
You have to vent a lot with a HID lamp, less so for fluorescents. Also, humidity build up requires that you vent at least a few times per day. For a room with a hot lamp that builds up heat quickly, the best vent would be one that cleared the room in 5 minutes, then would stop for 25 minutes before venting again, or similarly, vent 3 minutes, shut off 12 minutes, etc. The trick is to find a timer that will do this sort of thing. Not easy to find and not cheap. Once you need to regulate CO2 on and off inversely with the fan, your looking at a $100 climate controller.
Alternatives are a thermostat that turns on a fan when a certain temperature is reached, and turns it off when the temp recedes 4 degrees. But it is a bitch to coordinate CO2 release with this one, since you don’t know when the fan goes on. $39 for this thermostat, but to sync it to CO2 with a voltage sensing relay is $100 for the ready-made switch, so then the environment controller at $100 is cheaper. All you really want is a fan that clears the air in a few minutes, a temperature switch that turns on and off the fan, and an inverse switch that turns off and on the CO2. If you can vent the room really quick and the heat does not build up too quickly, the CO2 could be run in a slow, continuous fashion, and would build up in-between the occasional quick exhaust cycles.
Two timers synced can be used, but the only ones cheaply available are the 30 min interval, 48 trips per 24 hours. So I could have a fan run 30 mins on, then 30 mins off. I could also sync it to the light so that I don’t vent when the lamp is off. I can sync this to an identical timer that will turn on CO2 during the time that the fan is not on, and vise versa. It would be difficult to sync them closer that 5-10 mins, but at least there would be a possible inexpensive solution. $20 for two of these timers.
Fans are expensive to buy for venting, but I just go down to the local electronic parts liquidators and they have muffin fans for $5-10, so that’s a real savings over the $50-70 these fans cost new at the indoor garden stores. A good vent fan will keep the humidity and temperature down, and distribute CO2 to your plants from new incoming air.
Internal air movement is very necessary as well. An oscillating fan should be used to circulate air within the growroom, to help circulate CO2. It will also keep the humidity down, allowing the air to absorb more moisture, and reduce risk of fungus. A wall mount oscillating fan will not take valuable floor space. The best grow rooms have the most internal air circulation.

TEMPERATURE
Proper temperature is one highly variable factor. Most books state optimum grow temperature to be 70-80 degrees, but many list extenuating circumstances that allow temperatures to go higher. Assuming genetics is not a factor, plants seem to be able to absorb more light at higher temps, perhaps up to 90 degrees. High light and CO2 levels could make this go as high as 95 degrees for increased growth speed.* An optimum of 95 degrees is new data that assumes very-high light, CO2 enrichment of 1500 ppm and good regular venting to keep humidity down. It is not clear if these temperature will reduce potency in flowers. It may be a good idea to reduce temperatures once flowering has started, to preserve potency, even if it does reduce growth speed. But higher temperatures will make plants grow vegetatively much faster, by exciting the plants metabolism, assuming the required levels of CO2 and light are available, and humidity is not allowed to get too high.
With normal levels of CO2, in a well vented space, 90 degrees would seem to be the absolute max, while 85 may be closer to optimum, even with a great deal of light available. Do not let the room temperature get over 35 C (95 F) as this hurts growth. Optimal temperature is 27-30 C (80-86 F) if you have strong light with no CO2 enrichment. Less than 21 C (70 F) is too cold for good growth.
Low temperatures at night are OK down to about 60 degrees outdoors, then start to effect the growth in a big way. Mid 50’s will cause mild shock and 40’s will kill your plants with repeated exposure. Keep your plants warm, especially the roots. Elevate pots if you think the ground is sucking the heat out of the roots. This is an issue if you have a slab or other type of cold floor.
As temperature goes up, so does the ability of the air to hold water, thus reducing humidity, so a higher average temperature should reduce risk of fungus.
Contrary to many reports, high humidity is not good for plants except during germination and rooting. Lower humidity levels help the plant transpire CO2 and reduce risk of molds during flowering.
Studies indicate the potency of buds goes down as the temperature goes up, so it is important to see that the plants do not get too hot during flowering cycles.
? D. Gold: CO2, Temperature and Humidity, 1991 Edited by E. Rosenthal.

Kertran
13-04-2006, 06:25
PESTS
You really have to watch pests, or all your efforts could result in little or nothing in return. Mites and Aphids are the worst; whiteflies, caterpillar and fungi are the ones to watch out for long term. Pyrethrum bombs can start you with a clean slate in the room, and then homemade or commercial soap sprays will do most of the rest. When bringing in plants from outside, pyrethrum every broad leaf top and bottom and the soil too. Then watch them closely for a week or two, and soap down any remaining bug life you find from eggs being hatched. This should do the trick for a month or two, long enough it won’t be an issue before harvesting.
Fungus is another obstacle in the path of a successful growing season. When the flowers are roughly half developed they become susceptible to a fungus or bud rot. It appears that growing conditions for the fungus are best when temperatures are between 60 and 80 degrees and the humidity is high. The fungus is very destructive and spreads quickly. It is a spore type of fungus that travels to other buds via the wind so it is impossible to prevent or stop if weather conditions permit it to grow. If things should go badly and the fungus starts to attack your plants, you must remove it immediately or it will spread to other areas of the plant or plants.
Some growers will remove just the section of the bud that is infected whereas other growers will remove the entire branch. Removal of the entire branch better insures that the fungus is totally re- moved, and also enables the grower to sample the crop a few weeks ahead of time.
Fungi can wipe your crop quick, so invest in some SAFE fungicide and spray down the plants just before flowering if you think fungus may be a problem. Don’t spray the plants if you have never had problems with fungus before. Keep humidity down, circulate air like crazy in the grow space and keep unquarantined outdoor plants out of the indoor space. Don‘t wait until after flowering, since it’s not a good idea to apply the fungicide directly to flowers. Instead, flowers must be cut off when they are infected.
Most fungicides are very nasty, and you won’t want to ingest them, so it is necessary to use one that is safe for vegetables. Safer makes a suitable product that is available at most nurseries; it contains only sulfer in solution.
Use soap solution like Safer Insecticidal Soap to get rid of most aphid problems. Use some tobacco juice and chili pepper powder added to this for mites. Dr. Bronnars Soap can be used with some dish detergent in a spray bottle if you want to save money.
Pyrethrum should only be used in extream circumstances directly on plants, but can be used in a closet or greenhouse in the corners to get rid of spiders and such. It breaks down within a week to non-toxic elements, and can be washed from a plant with detergent solutions and then clear water. I find Pyrethrum to be the best solution for spider mites, if it is sprayed on young plants up to early flowering. Into later flowering, the tobacco and pepper/soap solution is your best bet, on a daily basis, on the under-sides of all infected leaves.
Spider mites are by far the worst offender in my garden. I have finally learned not to bring plants from outside into the indoor space. They are always infected with pests and threaten to infect the entire indoor grow space. It is much more practical to work WITH the seasons and regenerate plants outdoors in the Summer, rather than bringing them indoors to regenerate under constant light. Start a plant indoors, take it outside in Spring to flower. Take a harvest or two, feed it nitrogen all Summer and it will regenerate naturally, to be flowered again in the Fall.
Once a plant has been taken outside, leave it outside.

TRANSPLANTING
There will be little or no shock if you are quick and tender in your handling of the plants. Make sure you only need to transplant twice, or better yet, once if possible, through the entire growth cycle. Transplanting slows you down. It takes time, it’s tricky, it’s hard work, and threatens the plants. Start in as large a container as possible, square is best. 16 ounce plastic cups work OK, and 2 litter soda bottles cut down may be big enough for the first harvest when growing hydroponically. One-gallon plastic milk or water containers (squarish) will work too.
Or start seeds and rooted cuttings in 16oz plastic cups. It’s better to have less seedlings than it is to have many seedlings that need constant transplanting. These larger cups take only a little more space, and allow you to transplant only one time before harvesting the first crop. Transplant into a gallon water jugs (cut down to &#190; gallon) before forcing flower growth. To regenerate this plant after harvesting, transplant it into a larger pot after it goes into vegetative growth once again, 5 gallon paint buckets work pretty well if you can spare the space, and a 2-3 gallon container would make this plant’s 2nd harvest better than the first, given enough vegetative regrowth first.

One more tip:
A Russian study showed that seedlings with at least 4” of soil to grow the tap root were more likely to go female. The source I’m quoting says “This may be why some farmers get female/male ratios as great as 80%/20%.”

EARLY SEXING
It’s possible to tell the sex of a plant early, and thus move male plants out of the main growing area sooner by covering a plant’s lower branch for 12 hours a day while it’s in a constant light vegetative state. Use a black paper bag or equivalent to allow for air flow while keeping out light. Be sure to set up a regular cycle for these covered branches. If light is allowed to reach them during the dark period, they may not indicate early at all.
Use a magnifying glass to look at the early flowers sex type. A male plant will have a small club (playing card) looking preflower with a small stem under it. A female flower is usually a single or double pistil, white and wispy, emerging from an immature calyx.
Some people like to pre-force plants when they are 8” tall, in order to weed out the males. When growing outdoors, many growers do not wish to devote time, space or energy to male plants. Just put the plants on a 12 hours light cycle for 2 weeks, separate the females from the males, then revert the light cycle back to 18-24 hours to continue vegatative growth for the females. Keep in mind, this is a time consuming process and can put the plants back 2 weeks in growth. Don’t pre-force plants unless you have lots of time. Just cover one branch per plant with black paper (light tight, breaths air) 12 hours every day under constant light to force pre-flowers and differentiate early.

REGENERATION
It is possible to harvest plants and then rejuvenate them vegetatively for a 2nd and even 3rd harvest. A second harvest can be realized in as little as 6-8 weeks. Since the plant’s stalk, and roots are already formed, the plant can produce a second, even third harvest of buds in a little more than half the time of the original harvest. When harvesting, take off the top 1/3rd of the plant. Leave most healthy fan leaves in the middle of the plant, cutting buds off branches carefully. On the lower 1/3rd of the plant, take off end flowers, but leave several small flowers on each branch. These will be the part of the plant that is regenerated. The more buds you leave on the plant, the faster it will regenerate. Feed the plant some Miracle Grow or any high nitrogen plant food immediately after harvest. When you intend to regenerate a plant, make sure it never gets too starved for nitrogen as it is maturing, or all the sun leaves will fall off, and your plant will not have enough leaves to live after being harvested.
Harvested plants can come inside for rejuvenation under continuous light or are left outside in Summer to rejuvenate in the natural long days. It will take 7-14 days to see signs of new growth when regenerating a plant. As stated before, and in contrast to normal growth patterns, lower branches will be the first to sprout new vegetative growth. Allow the plant to grow a little vegetatively, then take outside again to reflower. Or keep inside for vegetative cuttings. You now have two or three generations of plants growing, and will need more space outside. But you will now be harvesting twice as often. As often as every 30 days, since you have new clones or seedlings growing, vegetative plants ready to flower, and regenerated plants flowering too.
Regenerating indoors can create problems if your plants are infected with pests. It may be best to have a separate area indoors that will not allow your plants to infect the main indoor area. An alternative to regenerating indoors is to regenerate outdoors in the Summer. Just take a harvest in June, then allow the plant to regenerate by leaving some lower buds on the plant, and leaving the middle 1/3rd of the plant’s leaves at harvest. Feed it nitrogen, and make sure it gets lots of sun. It will regenerate all Summer and be quite large by Fall, when it will start to flower again naturally.

PRUNING
Plants that are regenerated, cloned and even grown from seed will need to be pruned at some point to encourage the plant to produce as much as possible and remain healthy. Pruning the lower limbs creates more air-flow under the plants in an indoor situation and creates cuttings for cloning. It also forces the plant’s effort to the top limbs that get the most light, maximizing yields.
Plants that are regenerated need to have minor growth clipped so that the main regenerated growth will get all the plant’s energy. This means that once the plant has started to regenerate lots of growth, the lower limbs that will be shaded or are not robust should go. The growth must be thinned on top branches such that only the most robust growth is allowed to remain.
Once nice aspect of regenerating plants is that some small buds left on the plant in anticipation of regeneration will not sprout new growth and may be collected for smoke. The plant may provide much smokable material if it is caught before all the old flowers dry up and die with the new vegatative growth occuring.
Try to trim a regenerated plant twice. Once as it is starting to regenerate, collect any bud that is not sprouting with new growth and smoke it. Then later, prune again to take lower clippings to clone and thin the upper growth so that larger buds will be produced.
If a regenerated plant is not pruned at all, the resulting plant is very stemmy, does not create large buds and the total yield will be significantly reduced.

HARVESTING AND DRYING
Harvesting is the reaping of the bounty, and is the most enjoyable time you will spend with your garden.
Plants are harvested when the flowers are ripe. Generally, ripeness is defined as when the white pistils start to turn brown, orange, etc. and start to withdraw back into the false seed pod. The seed pods swell with resins usually reserved for seed production, and we have ripe sinse buds with red and golden hairs.
It is interesting that the time of harvest controls the “high” of the buds. If harvested “early” with only a few of the pistils turned color, the buds will have a more pure THC content and will have less THC that has turned to CBD and CBN’s. The lessor psychoactive substances will create the bouquet of the pot, and control the amount of stoneyness and stupidness associated with the high. A pure THC content is very cerebral, while high THC, high CBD, CBN content will make the plants more of a stupid, or hazy buzz. Buds taken later, when fully ripened will normally have these higher CBN, CBD levels and may not be what you prefer once you try different samples picked at different times. Don’t listen to the experts, decide yourself based on what you come to like yourself.
Keep in mind, a bud weighs more when fully ripe. It is what most growers like to sell, but take some buds early for yourself, every week until you harvest, and decide how you like it for yourself. Grow the rest to full maturity if you plan to sell it.
Most new growers want to pick early, because they are impatient. That’s OK! Just take buds from the middle of the plant or the top. Allow the rest to keep maturing. Often, the tops of the plants will be ripe first. Harvest them and let the rest of the plant continue to ripen. You will notice the lower buds getting bigger and fuzzier as they come into full maturity. With more light available to the bottom portion of the plant now, the plant yields more this way over time, than taking a single harvest.
Use a magnifier and try to see the capitated stalked trichomes (little THC crystals on the buds). If they are mostly clear, not brown, the peak of floral bouquet is near. Once they are mostly all turning brownish in color, the THC levels are dropping and the flower is past optimum potency, declining with light and wind exposure rapidly.
Don’t harvest too late! It’s easy to be too careful and harvest late enough potency has declined. Watch the plants and learn to spot peak floral potency.
Do not cure pot in the sun, it reduces potency. Slow cure hanging buds upside down in a ventilated space. That is all that is needed to have great sensi. Drying in a paper bag works too, and may be much more convenient. Bud tastes great when slow dried over the course of a week or two.
If your in a hurry, it’s OK to dry a small amount in-between paper sheets or a paper bag in a microwave oven. Go slow and check it, don’t burn it. Use the defrost power setting for a slower, better drying. It will be harsh smoking this way though.
A food dehydrator or food preserver will dry your pot in a few hours, but it will not taste the same as slow-dried. Very close though. And this will speed your harvest time (which can be nerve-wracking, with all this pot hanging around drying.)
Dry buds until the stems are brittle enough to snap, then cure them in a sealed tupperware container , burping air and turning the buds daily for two weeks.
Once experienced grower told me to dry in an uninsulated area of the house (like the garage) so that the temperature will rise and fall each night, as the plant is drying. If you treat the plant as if it were still alive, it will use some of it’s chlorophyll while it is drying, and the smoke will be less harsh.

CLONING

Cloning is asexual reproduction. Cuttings are taken from a mother plant in vegatative growth, and rooted in hydroponic medium to be grown as a separate plant. The offspring will be plants that are identical to the parent plant.
Cloning preserves the character of your favorite plant. Cloning can make an ocean of green out of a single plant, so it is a powerful tool for growing large crops, and will fill a closet quickly with your favorite genetics. When you find the plant you want to be your “buddy” for the rest of your life, you can keep that plant’s genetic character alive for decades and pass it on to your children’s children. Propagate and share it with others, to keep a copy, should your own line die out. A clone can be taken from a clone at least 20 times, and probably more, so don’t worry about myths of reduced vigor. Many reports indicate it’s not a problem.
Cloning will open you to the risk of a fungus or pests wiping out the whole crop, so it’s important to pick plants that exhibit great resistance to fungus and pests. Pick the plant you feel will be the most reliable to reproduce in large scale, based on health, growth rate, resistance to pests, and potency. The quality of the high, and the type of buzz you get will be a very important determining factor.
Take cuttings for clones before you move plants from vegetative grow area to the flowering area. Low branches are cut to increase air circulation under the green canopy. Rooted clones are moved to the vegetative growth area, and new clones are started in the cloning area using the low branch cuttings. Each cycle of growth will take from 4-8 weeks, so you can constantly be growing in 3 stages, and harvesting every 6-8 weeks.
Some types of plants are more difficult to clone than others. Big Bud is reported to not clone very well. One of my favorite plants, Mr. Kona, is the most amazing pot I ever smoked, but it is hard as hell to clone. What a challenge! I noticed other varieties that were rooting much quicker, but it was the stone I was after! Once you find the psychoactive, almost hallucinogenic properties of some Indica/Sativa hybrids, you never want to smoke a pure Indica again. Indica is however, great medicinally, so I like to grow a few pure strains too.
If a plant is harvested, you can sample it, and decide if you want to clone it. Pick your favorite 2 or 3 distinctly different types of plants to clone, based on trying the harvested plants. The plants you want to clone can be regenerated by putting them in constant light. In a few weeks, you will have many vegetative cuttings available for cloning and preserving your favorite plants. Always keep a mother plant in vegatative mode for any strain you want to keep alive. If you flower all your clones, you may end up killing off a strain if you don’t have any plant devoted to being a mother. I killed off a sacred strain accidentally this way; my harvested plants failed to regenerate and the strain would have died completely had not previously igven it to friends to grow it as well. I was in luck, and a buddy set me up with another clone of this strain to grow as a mother plant for a new crop of clones.
After two months, any marijuana plant can be cloned. Flowering plants can be cloned, but the procedure may take considerably longer. Its best to wait, and regenerate vegetatively plants that have been harvested. A single regenerated/harvested plant can generate hundreds of cuttings. Before taking cuttings, starve the plant for nitrogen for a week at least, so that the plant is not extreamly green, as this will make rooting take longer. Take cuttings from the bottom 1/3 of the plant, when doing ordinary pruning. Cut young growth tips from a vegetative stage, mature plant 3-5 inches long with a stem diameter 1/5-1/10 inch. Cut with a sterile razor blade or X-acto knife (flamed) and immerse the cut end of the clone into a tub of distilled water mixed with &#188; tspn Peters 5-50-17 per gallon. Next, cut the bottom .2 inch off the end while it is submerged, using a diagonal cut. Remove the clone from the tub and dip into a liquid cloning solution following instructions on the label. Dust with RootToneF and place in cloning tray or medium. Flowering plants can be cloned too, but may take longer, and may not have as high a success rate.
Cloning goes quickest with the liquid rooting solutions, in a warmed, aerated tray, with subdued lighting and high humidity. Placing cuttings into 1” rockwool cubes in a covered tray works great too. In a closet, you can make space above the grow area so that the heat of the lamp warms the tray (passive collecting) and spare the expense and hassle of the aquarium heater ($24) or agricultural heating pad w/ thermostat (pricey). A double 4” fluorescent lamp will be perfect. Leave lamps on for 24 hours a day. Cuttings should root in 2-3 weeks.
I found only one liquid rooting hormone solution that was not over $10. (Olivia’s Gel was $12 for a 1.6 ounce bottle. Geez, what is this stuff, gold?) I found some dipNgrow for $9, considered myself lucky, and got a tray and clear cover for $7. A clear tray cover or greenhouse encloser is needed to bring up humidity to 90% (greenhouse levels). Liquid rooting hormone seems to be much more effective than powders. Some types available are Olivia’s, Woods, and dipNgrow.
Mix a weak cloning solution of high P plant food (such as Peter’s 5-50-17), trace elements, and epsom salts and then dip plants in rooting solution per instructions on label. All of the above nutrients should be added in extremely small amounts, 25% of what would normally be used on growing plants. Or use a premade solution such as Olivia’s Rooting Solution. Corn syrup has been reported to supplement the sugars needed by the plant during cloning, since it consists of plant sugars.
Use a powder fungicide too, like RoottoneF to be sure you don’t spoil the clones with fungus. This is important, since clones and fungus like the conditions you will be creating for good rooting:
mild light
72-80 degrees
high humidity

In rockwool, there is no need for airating the solution, just keep the cubes in &#188;” of solution so they wick and stay moist at all times. Try to keep clones evenly spaced, and spray them with water once a day to keep them moist and fresh. Pull out clones if they are diseased and dying, to keep them away from healthy starts.
Another method is to float cutings in a tray full of solution on polystyrene disposable plates, or styrene sheets (shipping/packing material) with holes punched, so the tops and leaves are out of the water. Take off all large leaves, leaving only smaller top leaves to reduce demand on the new rooting stalk. Aerate the tray solution with an air pump and bubble stone. Keep solution at 72-80 degrees for best results. Change the solution daily if not using an air stone and pump, so that oxygen is always available to the cuttings. A week later, clip yellowing leaves from cuttings to reduce water demands as the cuttings start to root.
Buy a tray with a clear cover made for rooting at an indoor gardening supply house. You must keep humidity very high for the clones. Put cuttings in an ice chest with cellophane over the top and a light shining down if you don’t want to pay for the grow tray and cover.
It’s also possible to directly place a dipped cutting in a moist block of floral foam with holes punched, or vermiculite in a cup; be sure to root cuttings in a constantly moist medium. Jiffy peat cubes are not recommended, as published reports indicate results were not good for rooting clones. Place starter cubes in tray of solution. Check twice a day to be sure cubes are moist, not drenched, and not dry. After about 2-3 weeks, rootlets will appear at the bottom of the pods. Transplant at this point to growing area, taking care not to disturb any exposed roots.

One grower writes us:
I have had virtually all attempted clones root with the following scheme:
0. Prep cutting by removing large leaves on tip to be cut, allow to heal.
1. While holding underwater, take final diagonal cut on stem to be rooted.
2. Dip in Rootone, then spear stem about 2” deep in 16 oz. cups of

½ vermiculite, ½ perlite, which are kept in a stryrofoam cooler.
3. Spray cuttings with a VERY mild complete fert. soln.
4. Cover top of cooler with Saran Wrap, then punch holes for ventilation.
5. Keep cooler in relatively mild temps, low light, and spray cuttings daily.
6. Cuttings should root in about 3 weeks.


Cloning is not as easy as starting from seed. With seeds, you can have 18” tall plants in 6 weeks or less. With clones, it may take 6 weeks for the plant to sprout roots and new growth. Seeds are easily twice as fast if you have empty indoor space being wasted that needs to be put to use quickly. Always breed a few buds for seeds, even if you expect to be cloning most of the time, you could get wiped out, and have nothing but your seeds left to start over.
Cloning in rockwool seems to work great, and no airpump is needed. I paid $9 for 98 rockwool starter cubes. A plastic tray is available ($.95) that holds 77 cubes in pockets allowing the cubes to be held in a tray of nutrient solution. They are easily removed and placed in a larger rockwool growing cube when rooted.

BREEDING
It is possible to breed and select cuttings from plants that grow, flower, and mature faster. Some plants will naturally be better than others in this regard, and it is easy to select not only the most potent plants to clone or breed, but the fastest growing/flowering plants as well. Find your fastest growth plant, and breed it with your “best high” male for fast flowering, potent strains. Clone your fastest, best high plant for the quickest monocrop garden possible. Over time, it will save you a lot of waiting around for your plants to mature.
When a male is starting to flower (2-4 weeks before the females) it should be removed from the females so it does not pollinate them. It is taken to a separate area. Any place that gets just a few hours of light per day will be adequate, including close to a window in a separate room in the house. Put newspaper or glass under it to catch the pollen as the flowers drop it.
Keep a male alive indefinitely by bending it’s top severely and putting it in mild shock that delays it’s maturity. Or take the tops as they mature and put the branches in water, over a piece of plate glass. Shake the branches every morning to release pollen onto the glass and then scrap it with a razor blade to collect it. A male pruned in this fashion stays alive indefinately and will continue to produce flowers if it gets suitable dark periods. This is much better than putting pollen in the freezer! Fresh pollen is always best.
Save pollen in an air tight bag in the freezer. It will be good for about a month. It may be several more weeks before the females are ready to pollinate. Put a paper towel in the bag with it to act as a desecant.
A plant is ready to pollinate 2 weeks after the clusters of female flowers first appear. If you pollinate too early, it may not work. Wait until the female flowers are well established, but still all while hairs are showing.
Turn off all fans. Use a paper bag to pollinate a branch of a female plant. Use different pollen from two males on separate branches. Wrap the bag around the branch and seal it at the opening to the branch. Shake the branch vigorously. Wet the paper bag after a few minutes with a sprayer and then carefully remove it. Large plastic zip-lock bags also. Slip the bag over the male branch and shake the pollen loose. Carefully remove the bad and zip it up. It should be very dusty with pollen. To pollinate, place it over a single branch of the female, zipping it up sideways around the stem so no pollen leaks out. Shake the bag and the stem at the same time. Allow to settle for an hour or two and shake it again. Remove it a few hours later. Your branch is now well pollinated and should show signs of visible seed production in 2 weeks, with ripe seeds splitting the calyxes by 3-6 weeks. One pollinated branch can create hundreds of seeds, so it should not be necessary to pollinate more than one or two branches in many cases.
When crossing two different varieties, a third variety of plant will be created. If you know what characteristics your looking for in a new strain, you will need several plants to choose from in order to have the best chance of finding all the qualities desired. Sometimes, if the two plants bred had dominant genes for certain characteristics, it will be impossible to get the plant you want from one single cross. In this case, it is necessary to interbreed two plants from the same batch of resultant seeds from the initial cross. In this fashion, recesive genes will become available, and the plant character you desire may only be possible in this manner.
Usually, it is desirable only to cross two strains that are very different. In this manner, one usually arrives at what is refered to as “hybrid vigor”. In other words, often the best strains are created by taking two very different strains and mating them. Less robust plants may be the result of interbreeding, since it opens up recesive gene traits that may lead to reduced potency.
Hybrid offspring will all be very different from each other. Each plant grown from the same batch of seeds collected from the same plant, will be different. It is then necessary to try each plant separately and decide it’s individual merits for yourself. If you find one that seems to be head and shoulders above the rest in terms of early flowering, high yield and get buzz, that’s the plant to clone and continue breeding.
In depth genetics is beyond the scope of this work. See Marijuana Botany; Smith, for more detailed info in this area.

SINSEMILLIA
When the female plant is not allowed to pollinate, it grows full of resin that was intended to make seeds. False seed pods swell with THC laden resin and the pistils turn red and orange and withdraw into the pods. Then the plant is harvested.
Seeds are not part of the bud when the flowers mature. This is called Sinsemillia, and simply means “no seeds”.

SINSE SEEDS
It is possible to cross your favorite two female plants to create a new strain of seeds that will produce all female plants. Preferably, these two plants will be different types of plants, not from the same mother’s seeds.
This will create the best offspring, since it will not lead to inbreeding. It is easier to gauge the quality of female plants than male plants, since the smoke is more potent and easier to judge it’s finer qualities. Plants from seeds created in this fashion will be all female plants since there will be no chance of male chromosomes from female parents.
Use Gibberellic Acid on one branch of a female plant to induce male flowers. Gibberellic Acid is sold by nursery supply houses for plant breeding and hybridizing. Spray the plant once every day for 10 days with 100 ppm gibberellic acid. When the male flowers form, pollinate the flowers of your other target female plant you have selected. Just pollinate one branch unless you want lots of seeds!
Once the branch has male flowers, cut the branch and root it in water, with glass under it to catch the male pollen when it drops. Use a rooting solution similar to the above cloning solution.Collect the pollen with a plastic bag over the branch and shake it. Use a razor blade to scrap up fallen pollen and add it to the bag too.
It is also possible to pollinate the flowers of the plant you create the male flowers on, crossing it with itself. This is used to preserve a special plants characteristics. Cloning will also preserve the plants characteristics, but will not allow you to store seeds for use later. Crossing a plant with itself can lead to inbreeding problems, so it may not be the optimum solution in many cases.
I once tried using Gibberellic Acid, sprayed on a healthy female, every day for over a week. No male flowers appeared on the plant. Your milage may vary.

ODORS AND NEGATIVE IONS
Negative ion generators have been used for years now to cut down on odors in a grow room, but reports are coming in that a negative ion generator will increase growth speed and yield. No true evidence to support this, however it does make sense, due to the fact that people and animals seem to be altered in a positive way by negative ions in the air, so plants may “feel” better too. Try putting one in the grow room. You may notice the buds don’t have as much scent when picked, but that may be desirable in some cases.
A negative ion generator can be purchased for $15 to $100 depending on the type and power involved. Some have reversed cycles that collect the dust to a charged plate. It is also possible to use grounded aluminum foil on the wall and shelf where the ionizer sits, to collect these particles. Just wipe the foil clean once a month. It should be grounded to an electrical outlets ground wire. If you don’t cover the wall and shelf with paper or foil, the wall will turn dark with dust taken from the air, and you will have to repaint that wall later.

OXYGEN
O2 to the roots is a big concern, since the plant requires this for nutrients to be available, and to rid itself of toxins, etc. One of the easiest things to do is use food grade hydrogen peroxide in the water to increase the availability of oxygen in the water. H2O2 has an extra oxygen atom that will easily break away and can be used by the plant. Oxygen Plus is a plant food that contains 25% hydrogen peroxide and is perfect for this use.
Using a planting medium that allows for plenty of aeration is also really important. Be sure you have good drainage by using Perlite, sand, or gravel in your mix and at the bottom of pots. Don’t use a medium that holds too much water, or you may significantly reduce the oxygen available to the plant. More on that in the section on hydroponics.
Aerating the water before watering is also a good idea. In the case of soil potted plants, use an airpump to aerate the water overnight before watering your plants, or put the water in a container with a cap and shake it up real good before giving to the plants.

SAFETY AND PRIVACY
Utility companies can tell your bill is way off from the same time last year, and police are finding growers this way. More than 500 watts in the family home running constantly will show up as a regular monthly increase in electricity use. You can claim space heaters, more people living on the premises, too many television sets, and late hours, if they happen mention it to you (innocently). If the police knock and ask you about it, don’t let them in, and move your plants to another location during the wee hours in a vehicle not your own.
Upon moving into a new place, it may be desirable to immediately establish high electricity use, so that your electrical use history won’t reveal your activities in the future...
Light leaks, open windows, heat expelled from rooms that would normally be cool, and rip-offs are all serious issues to be concerned about. Don’t use a burglar alarm on when your away from the house. People are busted this way when the kids try to rip off the garden and the police come. Lock the house up well, and let them take it if they need it so bad. It’s not worth getting busted for a burglary...
Think ahead to any situation that will require outsiders to visit sensitive areas of the house. Repairmen, solicitors, meter readers, neighbors, appraisers, and pets should all be considered and contingency plans made in advance.

DISTILLED WATER
Some growers report purified or distilled water helps their plants grow faster. Perhaps due to sodium and heavy metals found in hard water that are not present in purified water. Hard water tends to build up alkaline salt deposits in soil that lockup trace minerals, and cause iron, copper and zinc deficiencies. There are several types of purified water, but many are not free of minerals that could be causing salt buildup over an extended period of time.
Tap water comes in two flavors. Hot and cold. The cold pipe has less calcium and sodium buildup in it, and should be freer of sediment once the water has been turned on and allowed to flow for 30 seconds. Hot water will have rust, lead deposits, and lots of sodium and calcium, so much so, you will see it easily. Use only the amount of hot water needed to make the water the correct temperature (70-80 F). Tap water filtered through a carbon (charcoal) filter will be free of chlorine and most large particles, but will still contain dissolved solids such as sodium and heavy metals (lead, arsenic, nickel, etc.).
Purified bottled water will be either Reverse Osmosis or some form of carbon/sediment filtered water. When purchasing water at a store, unless it says RO or Distilled, don’t bother buying it. It could still have the same dissolved solids and heavy metals your tap water has.

BIRTH CONTROL PILLS
A solution of one pill to one gallon of water has been reported to cause increased growth speed in tomato plants. It is possible this will help herb plants too. One treatment administered before flowering and one administered a few weeks before harvesting might help the plant mature faster.
One grower told a story of the same type of plants, one administered the estrogen grew to 20 feet, while the other was 7 feet. This may be purely anecdotal, but it may work. Try it and report back to us on results.

SEED AND BUD STORAGE
Use a seal-a-meal to hermetically seal the bag with no air inside. Freeze or refrigerate, and bud and seed can be kept for years this way.
Rap seeds in a paper towel to absorb moisture. Keep them in the freezer, and pull out only as many seeds as you need, then pop them back in the freezer quickly.

A FINAL COMMENT
Good results can be had even in what appear to be rather marginal situations. (i.e.: a four inch pot in a room with a skylight.) With the minimum of: well drained medium, good light with ventilation, regular application of a complete fertilizer, pest control, and avoidance of detection, anyone can take a viable seed to maturity.
One need not have a lot of money, or even know-how to grow good plants.

*~d(i)reamer~*
14-04-2006, 02:46
An katsoume na ta diavazoume afta.....oxi shmera, POTE de tha koimithoume :angryfire
Se ligo taksidi...se merh makrina...oxi kalhnyxta...pote.... :cool: :cool: :cool:

Theio_Vrefos
14-04-2006, 03:15
FFS JFK OMG ZOMFG STFU

Tythora
14-04-2006, 03:31
Ωωω..Θειο!Sorry που δεν σου απαντησα,πηγαινα κατευθειαν για υπνο!
Καληνυχτα!!!!

Greg1982
14-04-2006, 03:41
Καληνύχτες σε όλες και όλους.... :wavey: :-) :wavey:

noiR
14-04-2006, 04:04
Κατηγορία:

Σαλάτες

Υλικά:

3 Αγγούρι(α)
1/3 φλιτζανιού του καφέ Ζάχαρη
2/3 φλιτζανιού άσπρο Κρασόξυδο
1 μικρό κόκκινο φρέσκο (πολύ ψιλοκομμένο) Τσίλι
1 κουταλιά φρέσκα ψιλοκομμένα Φύλλα κορίανδρου
1/4 φλιτζανιού ανάλατα ψημένα Φιστίκια

Κόψτε τα αγγούρια στη μέση κατά μήκος, αφαιρέστε τα σπόρια και κόψτε τα λεπτές φέτες. Βάλτε το ξύδι και τη ζάχαρη σε ένα κατσαρόλι. Βάλτε στη φωτιά και ανακατώνετε, χωρίς να βράσετε, μέχρι να διαλυθεί η ζάχαρη. Σιγοβράστε χωρίς καπάκι περίπου 5 λεπτά ή μέχρι να μείνει μισό φλιτζάνι υγρό. Ανακατώστε το ζεστό ξύδι με τα αγγούρια και τα υπόλοιπα υλικά. Σκεπάστε και βάλτε το μπολ στο ψυγείο 3 ώρες ή όλη τη νύχτα.

H γιαγιά Νίτσα διατηρεί ιδιαίτερα ενημερωμένη βάση με τις συνταγές της εδώ (http://www.gma-nitsa.gr/cgi-bin/rec.pl?recp=170)

/*RaDioHeAD*\
14-04-2006, 05:34
:sleep: :sleep: Dead man walking.... :sleep: :sleep:


Kαλο ξημερωμα σε ολους... :wavey:


θυμιστε μου την επομενη να κοιμηθω ακομα πιο αργα.. :D:p

grnemo
15-04-2006, 05:07
nights every1

Greg1982
16-04-2006, 02:02
Καληνύχτα σε όλους και όλες και καλές διακοπές..... :D :D
:wavey: :-) :wavey:

emufear
16-04-2006, 02:40
In my mind I see you clearly.
In my dreams I feel you near me.
I want to know, does this feeling go away?
Like shooting stars we shine and then we fade,
breaking the promises we made.
What about the promises?

Telinformatix
16-04-2006, 02:47
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
In my mind I see you clearly.
In my dreams I feel you near me.
I want to know, does this feeling go away?
Like shooting stars we shine and then we fade,
breaking the promises we made.
What about the promises?
Emu keep your promises...in order to keep shining!

grnemo
16-04-2006, 03:30
nights2all

Tythora
16-04-2006, 05:47
Καλημεραααααααααα!!!

leo
16-04-2006, 10:31
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από /*RaDioHeAD*\
:sleep: :sleep: Dead man walking.... :sleep: :sleep:

Ακούς Vibratore Bizarro? :o

emufear
17-04-2006, 01:18
@Telinformatix: Το 'πιασα το υποννοούμενο :-)

http://www.drommefall.net/galleri/photos/Offisielle-%20wallpapers/April,%20Zoe,%20kian.jpg
Επιτέλους αύριο βγαίνει το Dreamfall μετά από 6 χρόνια αναμονής!!! :wow:

Yupeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Νύχτες!!!

Yeah you drive me crazy, crazy, crazy for you baby
What can I do, honey
I feel like the color blue (που θα έλεγε και ο di::blue)

dt008
17-04-2006, 01:36
private List<string> _WordsList = new List<string>();


public List<string> WordsList
{
get { return _WordsList; }
set { _WordsList = value; }
}

:angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire

Greg1982
17-04-2006, 01:41
Άντε καληνύχτα μας... και καλή νηστεία.... :D :D :p :D :D

i_p
17-04-2006, 01:45
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
Επιτέλους αύριο βγαίνει το Dreamfall μετά από 6 χρόνια αναμονής!!! :wow:

Yupeeeeeeeeeee!!!


Χε χε... μόλις απέκτησα έναν επίδοξο συμπαίκτη... :D :D

Theio_Vrefos
17-04-2006, 03:06
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
Yeah you drive me crazy, crazy, crazy for you baby
What can I do, honey
I feel like the color blue (που θα έλεγε και ο di::blue)

wtf? mporeis na mas diafwtiseis was ist das?

Tythora
17-04-2006, 03:32
Das ist Britney Spears!
Bitte fragen Sie nicht warum....
Καληνυχτα κι απο Αυτρια! :D

emufear
17-04-2006, 03:58
Aerosmith είναι... :confused:
Ελπίζω να έκανες πλάκα.. :p

understracker
17-04-2006, 04:05
Τερλέγκας VS databases... :o

grnemo
17-04-2006, 04:17
ΚΑΙ ΑΝΤΑΜΩΣΑΝ ΣΤΙΣ ΠΙΚΡΕΣ ΜΟΥ ΕΠΑΝΩ ΟΛΟΥ ΤΟΥ ΚΟΣΜΟΥ ΟΙ ΣΥΝΕΦΙΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΣ
ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ

Udaj
17-04-2006, 04:20
Kalhnyxta apo to yperperan opou briskomai :D :D Einai apsoga edw panw... xwrane mono 2 omws :love2: :wavey:

TheRapper
17-04-2006, 04:22
Καληνυχτες και απο μενα με δουλειες καλλιτεχνικες με photoshop...(totally boring...)για τις αναγκες τις σελιδας

αυριο c is coming...again

sweet dreams @noiR, tweaky, marktheshark, Tythora, Link, Bebis, metalas, understracker, Dj Cool - T, giannitsa

και ενα τραγουδακι

*******************************
Aerosmith - ... I don't wanna miss a thing...

I could stay awake just to hear you breathing,
Watch you smile while you are sleeping,
While you are far away and dreaming,
I could spend my life in this sweet surrender,
I could stay lost in this moment forever,
Where a moment spent with you is a moment I treasure,


I don't want to close my eyes, I don't want to fall asleep,
Cause I miss you baby, And I don't want to miss a thing,
Cause even when I dream of you, the sweetest dream will never do,
I still miss you baby and I don't want to miss a thing


Lying close to you feeling your heart beating,
And I wondering what you are dreaming,
Wondering if it's me you are seeing,
Then I kiss your eyes and thank god we're together,
I just want to stay with you in this moment forever and ever


And I don't want to miss one smile,
I don't want to miss one kiss,
I just want to be with you right here with you,
Just like this, I just want to hold you close,
I feel your heart so close to mine
And just stay here in this moment,
For all of the rest of time

I don't want to close my eyes, I don't want to fall asleep,
Cause I miss you baby, And I don't want to miss a thing,
Cause even when I dream of you, the sweetest dream will never do,
I still miss you baby and I don't want to miss a thing

******************************

:blush: :love2:

καληνυχτα

:sleep:

//edit: @grnemo...axxaxaxaxaxaxxaxaxax

grnemo
17-04-2006, 04:28
Man το καληνύχτα σου κάνει διακρίσεις... υπάρχουν και άλλοι ανθρωποι στο forums.gr... Αυτοί δεν έχουν ψυχή?????
Το σωστο θα ήταν να γράφεις

<ονομα forum 1>
<ονομα subforum 1α>
- λίστα χρηστών
<ονομα subforum 1β>
- λίστα χρηστών
<ονομα forum 2>
<ονομα subforum 2α>
- λίστα χρηστών

.
.
.
.

pls...όχι μισές δουλειές...
:confused: :confused: :confused:

emufear
17-04-2006, 04:32
Κι άλλος aerosmith σήμερα.. αλλά που είμαι εγώ στους χρήστες ρεεεεεεε; Τι αδικία παίζει;

Οι περισσότεροι από αυτούς που λες είναι offline.. Καλά η MySQL πρέπει να έκανε μια ώρα να σου καταχωρήσει το post δεν εξηγείται αλλιώς.. :D

grnemo
17-04-2006, 04:35
Ούτε εμένα με έχει ρε... δεν το περίμενα ...
Με στενοχώρησε ο t3h rapp3r απόψε....
:baby: :baby:

grnemo
17-04-2006, 04:38
KIDDING of course.... teh rapper k33p listing goodnight fellows!!!
:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Καληνύχτα!!!

emufear
17-04-2006, 04:40
o ΤheRapper και ο TheSpammer ο grnemo.. :p :p

grnemo
17-04-2006, 04:44
Αν έκανα ένα edit θα ήμουν ακόμα spammer? Αν έγραφα με μεγαλύτερη χρονική απόσταση ανάμεσα στα posts ίσως???
Ήμουν off topic?
Η ώρα δεν είναι πρώτη πρωινή???

Λοιπόν μη επαναορίζουμε τους όρους... Αυτό σε κάνει εσένα spammer σε αυτήν την περίπτωση... Υπάρχουν τρόποι


pm
report post

:love2: :love2: :love2:
έχω όρεξη τώρα!! αν δεν ήσουν κομμάτια θα σου έλεγα να πάμε για καφέ τώρα...έχεις χάρη!!!

emufear
17-04-2006, 04:46
:love2: :love2: :love2: :love2:

Tythora
17-04-2006, 05:05
ναι,εννοειται πως εκανα πλακα!!!Ακομα ξυπνιοι?Τι κανετε? :D
Αντε καλημερα!!!
Ζζζζζζζζ....

YoMa-Sensei
17-04-2006, 06:06
Children Of Bodom - Hate Me

I was born in ashes of molten hatred
Raised by demons in abodes of the end
The reaper's scythe I fall upon to light my path
Wrecked by mangled wounds of life
I have become become the resurrection of the evil one
'Yknow that I don't fucking care If I live or die

I need a bishop preaching fire to get away with my sins
I despise everything I see so I don't give a fuck if ya hate me

Ain't got respect for humanity
Never lived or wanted immortality
The reaper's shadow I fall upon to obscure my path
Every day I'm being battered up until I bleed
You motherfuckas just leave me be
Ya could never give me cure for the pain I feel inside

Led by the reaper I walk in the night
Show me the way to yer kingdom come

I believe in armageddon, I've been baptised in alcohol
I'm embodyment of antichrist
I'm living for my own demise

epix.

Dj Cool - T
17-04-2006, 06:39
gnight @ ksenihtides....... :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
morning @ early birds :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

Greg1982
18-04-2006, 02:50
Καληνύχτα και σήμερα...αν και λίγο νωρίς..... :D :D :D

Tythora
18-04-2006, 03:08
We get it on most every night
When that moon is big and bright
It’s a supernatural delight
Everybody’s dancing in the moonlight

Everybody here is out of sight
They don’t bark and they don’t bite
They keep things loose they keep it tight
Everybody’s dancing in the moonlight

Dancing in the moonlight
Everybody’s feeling warm and bright
It’s such a fine and natural sight
Everybody’s dancing in the moonlight

We like our fun and we never fight
You can’t dance and stay uptight
It’s a supernatural delight
Everybody was dancing in the moonlight

Dancing in the moonlight
Everybody’s feeling warm and bright
It’s such a fine and natural sight
Everybody’s dancing in the moonlight

We get it on most every night
And when that moon is big and bright
It’s a supernatural delight
Everybody’s dancing in the moonlight

Dancing in the moonlight
Everybody’s feeling warm and bright
It’s such a fine and natural sight
Everybody’s dancing in the moonlight
;-)

Gute Nacht :wavey:

YoMa-Sensei
18-04-2006, 03:50
Stray (Tim Jenson/Yoko Kanno)

Stray! Stray!

In the cold breeze that I walk along
The memories of generations burn within me
Been forever since I cried the pain and sorrow
I live and die, proud of my people gaining

I'm here standing at the edge
Starin up at where the moon should be

Stray!
No regrets 'cause I got nothin to lose
Ever stray!
So I'm gonna live my life as I choose
Until I fall..

Stray! Stray!
Stray! Stray!

In the white freeze, I never spoke of tears
Or opened up to anyone including myself
I would like to find a way to open to you
Been awhile, don't know if I remember how to

I'm here waiting on the edge
Would I be alright showing myself to you?
It's always been so hard to do..

Stray!
No regrets 'cause I got nothin to lose
Ever stray!
So I'm gonna live my life as I choose
Until I fall...

Stray! Stray!
Stray! Stray!
Stray! Stray!

Is there a place left there for me
Somewhere that I belong
Or will I always live this way... ?
Always stray

No regrets 'cause I got nothin to lose
Ever stray!
So I'm gonna live my life as I choose
Cause all things fall

Stray! Stray!
Stray! Stray!
Stray! Stray!

Stray...


Wolf's Rain FTW. Και το λέω κυρίως για ορισμένους nubz που το άφησαν στη μέση :p

/*RaDioHeAD*\
18-04-2006, 03:52
Muse - Bliss

Everything about you is how I'de wanna be,
Your freedom comes naturally

Everything about you resonates happiness,
Now i wont settle for less.

Give me all the peace and joy in your mind. Oohhhh.

Everything about you pains my envying,
Your soul can't hate anything.

Everything about you is so easy to love,
They're watching you from above.

Give me all the peace and joy in your mind.
:-) :blush: :-)

Καληνυχτα σε οοοολους.... :wavey:as

wallace
18-04-2006, 04:03
goodnight cruel world i'm leaving you for now, goodnight goodnight :)

TheRapper
19-04-2006, 03:55
... good night, bonne nuit, bonna note, Buenos noches, God afton (sweedish)
gute nacht, Bona sera... @ jupiter, Herculy, SuperManth, what??, LL_cool_T, Tythora, Bebis, gilgames, ExiLeD

και ενα τραγουδακι
**************************

Space - Female of the species...

A thousand thundering thrills await me
Facing insurmontable odds gratefully
The female of the species is more deadly than the male

Shock shock horror horror
Shock shock horror
I'll shout myself hoarse for your supernatural force
The female of the species is more deadly than the male

Oh she deals in witchcraft
And one kiss and I'm zapped

Oh How can heaven hold a place for me?
When a girl like you has cast a spell on me
Oh how can heaven hold a palce for me?
When a girl like you has cast a spell on me

Frankenstein and Dracula have nothing on you
Jekyll and Hyde to the back of the queue
The female of the species is more deadly than the male

Oh she wants to conquer the world completely
But first she'll conquer me discreetly
The female of the species is more deadly than the male

Oh she deals in witchcraft
And one kiss and I'm zapped

Oh How can heaven hold a place for me?
When a girl like you has cast a spell on me
Oh how can heaven hold a palce for me?
When a girl like you has cast a spell on me
******************************

και οντως ετσι ειναι οτι θηλυκο ειναι και φαρμακερο αλλα εξιταρει το αντιθετο φυλλο ... παντα απο το πιο μικρο ως το πιο μεγαλο ... παντα το κυνηγας... και τυχαινουν παντα πολλα τινά.... βασικα ομως ειναι παντα 2 τινά να συμβουν...

χεχεχεχεχχεχ

ωχ καλυτερα να πεσω για υπνο...φτανει για σημερα διαφορετικα με βλεπω να μου ριχνουν e-τοματες...



:blush: :tounge: :D :sleep:

Dj Cool - T
19-04-2006, 04:57
crims == kapsimoooo :tounge:

ade kalinihta everyone

MayaDeren
20-04-2006, 00:41
kahnuxta
kahnyxta
kahnuxta :o :D

Rotting
20-04-2006, 01:56
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από MayaDeren
kahnuxta
kahnyxta
kahnuxta :o :D
woof woof re skili
pao sta katsikia mou

Bye bye sweet Athens.... :-(

Dj Cool - T
20-04-2006, 05:04
Tha patho tpt edw re gmt!!! :-( :-( :-(
Eidika i simerini mera me ekane halia.......

Telika niotho oraia pou fevgo avrio(!!!!)... To na meino ligo makria apo Athina, msn kai kapoia prosopa tha me kanei na ksanavro ton eafto mou (elpizo!) :confused:
Isos kleiso kai to kinito... To apolito detox... Mono ego, o gcc :-) kai to vivlio diakritwn... :p

Ade kales giortes se olous :-)







:wavey: :confused:

Tythora
20-04-2006, 05:07
Y ahora me muero de amor si no est&#225;s
Me muero y no puedo esperar
A que vuelvas de nuevo aqu&#237;
Junto a m&#237;, con tus besos...
Es que me muero de amor si no est&#225;s
Me muero y no puedo esperar
Necesito tenerte aqu&#237;, junto a m&#237;
Sin tu amor no puedo vivir
:baby:

bruce
20-04-2006, 08:57
Αλλαγμένο λίγο μήνυμα εστάλη από Dj Cool - T

Telika niotho oraia pou fevgo avrio(!!!!)... To na meino ligo makria apo Athina, msn kai kapoia prosopa tha me kanei na ksanavro ton eafto mou
Isos kleiso kai to kinito... To apolito detox...






Eyge nee...Eisai sto swsto dromo ;-)
Xreiazetai ki ayto file...Kapoies fores xreiazetai oso den mporeis na katalaveis...
Gogogo...
Asta ola pisw na coolareis...kai otan gyriseis sigoura akoma kai na min einai ola kalytera tha ta vlepeis esy me kalytero mati...

Ayta...

Ki epi ti eykairia...Kales giortes se olous ki apo emena
:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

DiMiS
20-04-2006, 13:03
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από TheRapper
... good night, bonne nuit, bonna note, Buenos noches, God afton (sweedish)
gute nacht, Bona sera... @ jupiter, Herculy, SuperManth, what??, LL_cool_T, Tythora, Bebis, gilgames, ExiLeD
[...]


Βασικά είναι God Natt στα σουηδικά... το God Afton είναι σαν καλησπέρα ένα πράμα... :p

Greg1982
21-04-2006, 01:59
Καληνύχτα σε όλους και όλες.... ουυυυυφ επιτέλους μαξιλαράκι μου σου'ρχομαι... :D :D

emufear
21-04-2006, 02:29
I hated you, the night you said you loved me
I hated you, 'cause I couldn't love myself
I'm begging you now, baby please just hold me
I got one foot in, one foot off the ground

Janie, don't you take your love to town...

Αλλάζει πρόσωπα η θλίψη...

TheRapper
21-04-2006, 03:36
κομματι του 87-88... με αρκετο νοημα προς οποιον εχει κουραστει γενικά...

**********************
Jimmy Nail - Ain't No Doubt

she says 'it's not you - it's me
I need a little time, a little space…
a place to find myself again you know?'
oh yeah , I know a goodbye when I hear it.
she smiles…
but her heart's already out there
walking down the street

she says…
'I don't want nobody else I love you',
she's lying…
'there won't be somebody else and that's true'
she's lying…
'say you'll always be my friend sweet darling'

why does she pretend?

ain't no doubt, it' plain to see
a woman like you's no good for me
your heart's beating at another door
I'm a damned fool for to ask for more.. ask for more… ask for more…

she says
'it's like in a song, remember?
"if you love someone, set them free"
well, that's how it is for me then she always come back…
and then she kisses me
and somewhere I hear a door slam …so I say 'fine'
and just hope that I'm a better liar
than she is…

she says…
'I don't want nobody else I love you'.
she's lying…
'there won't be somebody else and that's true'
she's lying…
'say you'll always be my friend sweet darling'…
why does she pretend?

ain't no doubt, it' plain to see
a woman like you's no good for me
your heart's beating at another door
I'm a damned fool for to ask for more… ask for more… ask for more
ain't no doubt, it's plain to see
a woman like you's no good for me
your heart's beating at another door
I'm a damned fool for to ask
for more … ask for more ask for ... that’s what I am…


'I don't want nobody else I love you'
she's lying…
'there won't be somebody else and that's true'
she's lying…
'say you'll always be my friend sweet darling'

why does she pretend?

ain't no doubt, it' plain to see
a woman like you's no good for me… no matter what I've tried..
your heart's beating at another door
I'm a damned fool for to ask
for more
ain't no doubt, it's plain to see …fool what I am...
a woman like you's no good for me
your heart's beating at another
door I'm a damned fool for to ask for more… ask for more

:-(
****************************

καλα δεν μας παιρνει απο κατω...ετσι
:sleep: :sleep:

noiR
21-04-2006, 07:01
Siegfried Sassoon - Suicide In The Trenches

I knew a simple soldier boy
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.

In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
No one spoke of him again.

You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.

:wavey:

Tythora
22-04-2006, 01:59
Cautiously take cover in the woodland - no mistakes at all.
Some terrain will catch you at your weakest - careful not to fall.
Stay by the fire, sip from your water, lie in position, the winds blowing colder.
All these conditions will keep you from dying as long as you're looking over your shoulder.
Stay aware of echoes in the moonlight careful not to call.
Don't engage in any kind of dreaming, conscious through it all.
If in doubt find space beside a river, careful not to drown.
Stick it out, there's hope on the horizon - keep from going down.

There's a heaven above you baby

Καληνυχτα και ονειρα γλυκα! :-)

otto
22-04-2006, 02:20
Άντε, καλό ξημέρωμα και
Καλή Ανάσταση σε όλους!!!
:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

/*RaDioHeAD*\
22-04-2006, 02:45
Αντε 2.5 μερουλες μακρια απο την Αθηνα απο αυριο το πρωι... Με οτι αυτό συνεπαγεται... Και καλό και κακό...


You made me happy every single day.
But now... I've got to go away!
:wavey:

Καληνυχτα και καλη ανασταση σε ολους!!!! :-) :-)

TheRapper
22-04-2006, 02:57
***************************
Coldplay - Speed of sound

How long before I get in?
Before it starts, before I begin?
How long before you decide?
Before I know what it feels like?
Where to, where do I go?
If you never try, then you'll never know.
How long do I have to climb,
Up on the side of this mountain of mine?

Look up, I look up at night,
Planets are moving at the speed of light.
Climb up, up in the trees,
every chance that you get,
is a chance you seize.
How long am I gonna stand,
with my head stuck under the sand?
I'll start before I can stop,
before I see things the right way up.

All that noise, and all that sound,
All those places I got found.
And birds go flying at the speed of sound,
to show you how it all began.
Birds came flying from the underground,
if you could see it then you'd understand?

Ideas that you'll never find,
All the inventors could never design.
The buildings that you put up,
Japan and China all lit up.
The sign that I couldn't read,
or a light that I couldn't see,
some things you have to believe,
but others are puzzles, puzzling me.

All that noise, and all that sound,
All those places I got found.
And birds go flying at the speed of sound,
to show you how it all began.
Birds came flying from the underground,
if you could see it then you'd understand,
ah when you see it then you'll understand?

All those signs, I knew what they meant.
Some things you can invent.
Some get made, and some get sent,
Ooh
Birds go flying at the speed of sound,
to show you how it all began.
Birds came flying from the underground,
if you could see it then you'd understand,
ah, when you see it then you'll understand?

**************************

can you feel the speed of your heart
can you feel the speed of light
can you feel it as it shines
in your heart & soul
from yor tips
to your
toes
??
?

probably it's love that shines always...
its always the sun in your heart...

goodnight forum pen pals...@emuf, areti and anyolne else
:blush:

PS1: αυριο οι ευχες...
:sleep: :sleep:

areti
22-04-2006, 03:11
καληνυχτίζω κ εγώ με τη σειρά μου τους ξενύχτηδες και υπομονή μέχρι να φάμε αύριο το βράδυ!!!Ciaooooo :tounge: :tounge: :tounge: :tounge: :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:

emufear
22-04-2006, 03:49
Year after year :-( :-( :-( :-(

It doesn’t even matter how hard you try

Greg1982
23-04-2006, 04:26
ΚΑΛΗΜΕΡΑ ΜΑΣ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...και προσοχή.... στην αρχή βάζουμε ψηλά την σούβλα και σιγά σιγα την κατεβάζουμε κοντά στη φωτιά....


ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΠΟΛΛΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑ!!!!!!!!!!!

:wavey: :wavey: :D :love2: :D :wavey: :wavey:

emufear
23-04-2006, 07:31
Το νωχελικό ξημέρωμα μετά το γλέντι και η νοτισμένη Αθήνα μας συνθέτουν ένα πανέμορφο τοπίο.

Χρόνια μας πολλά!!! :-) :-) :wavey:

Καλημέρες σε όλους :sleep:

//edit:

Ωσπου να φτάσω το βράδυ στο Σύνταγμα, νόμιζα ότι βρίσκομαι σε ναρκοπέδιο. :p

emufear
24-04-2006, 02:32
Ooh baby, baby it's a wild world, it's hard to get by just upon a smile

noiR
24-04-2006, 03:31
:sleep:

Touristas
24-04-2006, 04:15
Ποιανού είναι το παραπάνω έξοχο ποιητικό πόνημα, του Έλιοτ υποθέτω...


Αυτή τη στιγμή πάντως αντίθετα από το τίτλο του thread EIMAI o μόνος που ξενυχτώ. :smokin:

MayaDeren
25-04-2006, 00:45
tour me tetoio avatar den eprepe na paraponiesai....

allwste o Mr Lonely ligo polu to apozhtouse kai o kwlarakos tou na einai monaxikos kai akoinwnhtos.
Allwste einai kai stratiwths.An kei opws einai kalutera tha htan na htan fantaros.
Gia skotwmata den tou paei katholou. A bre batman mas melagxolhses..... :confused: :p

Nuxta se stenaxwrhmenous plhgwmenous,erwteum kai fusika se sena maya mou!!!!.......
Ilove myself :love2:

Me Myself and I
.................................................. ..................................................
.................................................. ..................................................
.................................................. ..................................................
............. ;-)

noiR
25-04-2006, 02:25
@Touristas: Οι στίχοι είναι από ένα κομμάτι του Bobby Vinton, το οποίο έχει διασκευάσει ο ράπερ Akon με αρκετό χούμορ. :-)

@Maya:
-Η μοναξιά δεν είναι για τους λίγους, αντίθετα πολλές φορές μεγαλώνει όσο πληθαίνουν οι φωνές.
-Η φιλαυτία είναι το πρώτο θανάσιμο αμάρτημα.
-Οι διάφοροι άνθρωποι είναι αποφύσεις της μίας και μοναδικής Ψυχής, που έχουν την ψευδαίσθηση της ύπαρξης.
-Η προσβολή του πλησίου είναι μια επίθεση καβλόσπυρου σε γειτονικό καβλόσπυρο στην πλάτη του Θεού.

@everybody:
VOTE FOR PEDRO!!!

¶ντε, πάμε άλλο ένα:

Tythora
25-04-2006, 03:29
I hate the world today
You're so good to me
I know but I can't change
tried to tell you but you look at me like maybe I'm an angel
underneath
innocent and sweet
Yesterday I cried
You must have been relieved to see the softer side
I can understand how you'd be so confused
I don't envy you
I'm a little bit of everything
all rolled into one

So take me as I am
This may mean you'll have to be a stronger man
Rest assured that when I start to make you nervous
and I'm going to extremes
tomorrow I will change
and today won't mean a thing

I'm a bitch, I'm a tease
I'm a goddess on my knees
when you hurt, when you suffer
I'm your angel undercover
I've been numbed, I'm revived
can't say I'm not alive
You know I wouldn't want it any other way


καλημερες...

TheRapper
25-04-2006, 03:42
******************************
Everywhere I look I see her smile
Her absent-minded eyes
And she has kept me wondering for so long
How this thing could go wrong

It seems to me that we are both the same
Playing the same game
But as darkness falls this true love falls apart
Into a riddle of her heart

She's so vulnerable, like china in my hands
She's so vulnerable, and I don't understand
I could never hurt the one I love
She's all I've got
But she's so vulnerable
Oh so vulnerable

Days like these no one should be alone
No heart should hide away
Her touch is gently conquering my mind
There's nothing words can say

She's colored with all the secrets of my soul
I've whispered all my dreams
But just as nighttime falls this vision falls apart
Into a riddle of her heart, yea

She's so vulnerable, like china in my hands
She's so vulnerable and I don't understand
I could never hurt someone I love
She's all I've got
But she's so vulnerable
Oh so vulnerable.

Don't hide your eyes..
******************************

best of 90's...

....και απο μενα επισης...


:sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

@maya: Me Myself & I ->>> De La soul
xexexexexexexe...(too old)

emufear
25-04-2006, 08:35
@noiR: Η διασκευή του Akon, τα σπάει!

@Condoleezza Rice: Πάρτο Condoleezza και κάντο κορνίζα και βάλτο στην πρίζα να κάνει σουξέ και τράβα στα τσακίδια, δε θέλουμε άλλο πόλεμο. ΟΥΣΤ!

Τώρα γύρισα σπίτι μετά από ένα super 12ωρο... :sleep:

I can't take my eyes of you..

Ύπνος τώρα για 800 ώρες, fuck assignments..

understracker
26-04-2006, 02:45
No more SDVD. Lets have some Algorithms... tomorrow...

Kalinixta di... :sleep: :sleep:

Tythora
26-04-2006, 04:14
Salzburg...!!
Καληνυχτα!

thanatitsa
26-04-2006, 04:20
Μετα απο μια νυχτα με πολυ καλη παρεα alone!!


I hear the ticking of the clock
I’m lying here the room’s pitch dark
I wonder where you are tonight
No answer on the telephone
And the night goes by so very slow
Oh I hope that it won’t end though
Alone

Till now I always got by on my own
I never really cared until I met you
And now it chills me to the bone
How do I get you alone
How do I get you alone

You don’t know how long I have wanted
To touch your lips and hold you tight
You don’t know how long I have waited
And I was going to tell you tonight
But the secret is still my own
And my love for you is still unknown
Alone

:love2: :baby: :baby: :wavey:

Καληνυχτεεεες!!

emufear
26-04-2006, 05:04
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από understracker
No more SDVD. Lets have some Algorithms... tomorrow...

Kalinixta di... :sleep: :sleep:

Ok, μπράβο, το μάθαμε όλοι πλέον, τελείωσες πρώτος την εργασία στις βάσεις, σε όλο το Di, congrats.. :p

@Tythora: Salzburg, έπος, είμαι περήφανος να πω ότι έχω πάει κι εγώ εκεί!!! :-)

@Dj Cool - T: Γίνεσαι δικός μας σιγά σιγά :p

Dj Cool - T
26-04-2006, 05:07
Imagine me and you I do
I think about you day and night
It's only right
To think about the girl you love
And hold her tight
So happy together

If I should call you up invest a dime
And you say you belong to me
And ease my mind
Imagine how the world could be
So very fine
So happy together

I can see me lovin' nobody but you
For all my life
When you're with me baby the skies'll be blue
For all my life

Me and you and you and me
No matter how they toss the dice
It had to be
The only one for me is you
And you for me
So happy together

I can see me lovin' nobody but you
For all my life
When you're with me baby the skies'll be blue
For all my life

Me and you and you and me
No matter how they toss the dice
It had to be
The only one for me is you
And you for me
So happy together

Me and you and you and me
No matter how they toss the dice
It had to be
The only one for me is you
And you for me
So happy together

So happy together
How is the weather
So happy together
We're happy together
So happy together
Happy together
So happy together
So happy together

gnight everyone.... :wavey:

Link
26-04-2006, 05:55
Ante goodnight ppl. H mallon KALHMERA... H kai ta dyo mazi. Whatever....:p

YoMa-Sensei
26-04-2006, 05:58
...και με μια διαφήμιση του sportingbet.gr να προβάλλεται στο msn μου (οΟ) έρχεται η σημερινή ΚΑΛΗ(νυχτα?)!

understracker
26-04-2006, 13:34
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear


Ok, μπράβο, το μάθαμε όλοι πλέον, τελείωσες πρώτος την εργασία στις βάσεις, σε όλο το Di, congrats.. :p


Oxi vre exo na grapso kai sxolia.... :p :p :p :p :p Variemai pantos! ;-)
Oxi oti esy den exeis kanei tou algorithmous... leo tora :D :D

TheRapper
27-04-2006, 00:46
λεω να την πεσω απο νωρίς για φυσιολογικο υπνο σε λογικα πλαισια

εχουμε και την εργασια βασεις...βαρεθηκα

καλυνυχτα παιδες,,,

τα λεμε αυριο XalK, x_man, Mercyful_Fate_1, emufear, areti, Tythora, ΑθΕ, preacher man, Ripper, i_p, vaguraw, DI tourist, Telinformatix, cassiopeia...

good nights to u above!!

Hellscream
27-04-2006, 00:59
Good night kai apo emena :sleep:

Tythora
27-04-2006, 02:36
And now I sit here I`m all alone
So here sits a bloody mess, tears fly home
A circle of angels, deep in war
`Cos I wanted you
~*~*~
So hold me when I'm here,
Love me when I'm wrong,
Hold me when I'm scared,
And love me when I'm gone.

Greg1982
27-04-2006, 03:00
Επιτέλους..... ΚΑΛΗΝΥΧΤΑ και καλή ξεκούραση....

:blush:

...δεν πάει άλλο... :p

Tythora
27-04-2006, 04:03
Καληνυχτες κι απο μενα!
Νανι γρηγορα......

emufear
27-04-2006, 04:06
Que bonitos ojos tienes
Debajo de esas dos cejas

Malaguena salerosa
Besar tus labios quisiera

....

:sleep:

YoMa-Sensei
27-04-2006, 04:07
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από understracker


Oxi vre exo na grapso kai sxolia.... :p :p :p :p :p Variemai pantos! ;-)
Oxi oti esy den exeis kanei tou algorithmous... leo tora :D :D

Ti malakas pou eisai gamwto :/

Niwse mia stala :-)

noiR
28-04-2006, 00:00
Happy 28 April!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_28) :wavey: :wavey: :love2: :love2: :love2: :wavey: :D :D :angryfire

vaguraw
28-04-2006, 01:05
Χρονια πολλα στην αγαπημενη Jessica Alba

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/01/Playboy_0603.jpg/180px-Playboy_0603.jpg

Tythora
28-04-2006, 03:06
Οταν παιρνω φορα,φορα κατηφορα κι ο Θεος ο ιδιος δεν με σταματα... ;-)

Ελα καληνυχτα μας!!

SuperManth
28-04-2006, 03:15
More powerful than a locomotive ;-)

TheRapper
28-04-2006, 03:27
Everybody's doin' a brand new dance now
(C'mon baby do the loco-motion)
I know you'll get to like it
If you give it a chance now
(C'mon baby do the loco-motion)
My little baby sister can do it with ease
It's easier than learning your a b c's
So come on, come on,
Do the loco-motion with me

...everybody do the locomotion -


:D :D

in a... locomotive

:D :D

γλυκες καληνυχτες ... 3ος αποχωρησας... εεπ ψεμματα ...5ος βασει
των προηγουμενων αποχωρησαντων...δηλωσας τας αποχωρησης ...(ω καλα καηκα...)



:D :D

τα λεμε

;-) :wavey: :sleep:

emufear
28-04-2006, 08:27
Στο Κολωνάκι είναι ένας σκύλος, ο Βαγγέλης
έξω απ'το everest ή στη Λουκιανού
το μάτι του σ'ακολουθεί θέλεις δε θέλεις
καθώς βυθίζεσαι στο βίο που λες πως θέλεις
για να ξεφύγεις, από το βίο, από το βίο του διπλανού

Κοιτάει τις γκόμενες που θέλουν να πιαστούνε
που καταφτάνουν από χίλιες γειτονιές
ντυμένες χρώματα για να παραδοθούνε
στρο πρώτο μπράτσο με φλεβίτσες που θα βρούνε
στην πρώτη τσέπη, στην πρώτη τσέπη,
που θα της λύνονται οι κλωστές

Στο Κολωνάκι είναι ένας σκύλος, που τον ξέρουν
οι gay μόδιστροι κ' οι sexy φθισικές
οι σιλουέτες που στα εξώφυλλα υποφέρουν
κάτι σκιές, που η μια την άλλη λεν πως ξέρουν
και λεν "αγάπη μου", λεν "αγάπη μου",
με ολόιδιες φωνές.

Κοιτάει τ' αστέρια ή πότε πότε τα δεντράκια
κοιτάει τα κάστανα που καίνε στη φωτιά
κοιτάει τα λίγα που απομείνανε παιδάκια
το συντριβάνι, τις καρδούλες, τα παγκάκια
τους καπουτσίνους στα φλυτζανάκια, στα φλυτζανάκια,
τα παγωτα

Στο Κολωνάκι είναι ένας σκύλος, ο Βαγγέλης
που τελευταία μόνο εμένα ακολουθεί
όλο τον διώχνω, του φώνάζω, λέω "τι θέλεις",
μου λέει "βυθίζεσαι στον βίο που λες πως θέλεις"
και με κοιτάζει, και με κοιτάζει,
όπως κοιτούσες κάποτε εσυ

noiR
29-04-2006, 03:01
I fell asleep down by the stream
And there I had the strangest dream
And down by Brennan's Glenn there grows
A briar and a rose


There's a tree in the forest
But I don't know where
I built a nest out of your hair
And climbing up into the air
A briar and a rose


I don't know how long it has been
But I was born in Brennan's Glenn
And near the end of spring there grows
A briar and a rose


Picked the rose one early morn
I pricked my finger on a thorn
It had grown so high
It's winding wove the briar around the rose


I tried to tear them both apart
I felt a bullet in my heart
And all dressed up in springs and clothes
The briar and the rose


And when I'm buried in my grave
Tell me so I will know
Your tears will fall
To make love grow
The briar and the rose

Tythora
29-04-2006, 03:56
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are.
Up above the world so high,
Like a diamond in the sky.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!

When the blazing sun is gone,
When he nothing shines upon,
Then you show your little light,
Twinkle, twinkle, all the night.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!

Then the traveler in the dark
Thanks you for your tiny spark;
He could not see which way to go,
If you did not twinkle so.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
How I wonder what you are!

:baby: :baby: :baby:
:blush: :blush: :blush: :blush:
http://www.babybeddingtown.com/images/10944_lg.jpg

emufear
30-04-2006, 04:50
There's a song that's inside of my soul
It's the one that I've tried to write over and over again
I'm awake in the infinite cold
But you sing to me over and over and over again..

:-)

Dj Cool - T
30-04-2006, 05:17
pffffffffffffffff[oxi]

otto
30-04-2006, 13:10
Στίχοι: Νίκος Γκάτσος
Μουσική: Δήμος Μούτσης
Ερμηνευτής: Μανώλης Μητσιάς


Κουρασμένοι εργάτες
μ' ένα σάκο στις πλάτες
δούλευαν σε τρένο φορτηγό.
Κάποιοι εργάτες
μ' ένα σάκο στις πλάτες,
ούτε συ τους ξέρεις
αλλά ούτε γω.

Σαν τον Τσε Γκεβάρα με μια κιθάρα,
βάσανα του κόσμου τώρα τραγουδώ.
Σαν τον Τσε Γκεβάρα
μέσ' στην αντάρα
όλα θα τα κάψω κι ας καώ κι εγώ.

Κάτω στην Κορινθία
μένει κάποια μου θεία,
παντρεμένη μ' ένα κυνηγό.
Στην Κορινθία κυνηγάει κι η θεία,
ούτε συ την ξέρεις
αλλά ούτε γω.

Σαν τον Τσε Γκεβάρα...

Λιβανέζοι και νέγροι
στη Φωκίωνος Νέγρη
βγάλαν Ευρωπαίο αρχηγό.
Χορεύουν οι νέγροι
στη Φωκίωνος Νέγρη,
ούτ' εσύ τους ξέρεις
άλλά ούτε γω.

Σαν τον Τσε Γκεβάρα...

Είδα κάποιους ανθρώπους
στους Αγίους τους Τόπους
να σταυρώνουν πάλι τον Χριστό.
Κάποιους ανθρώπους
στους Αγίους τους Τόπους,
τώρα πια τους ξέρεις
και τους ξέρω κι εγώ.

Σαν τον Τσε Γκεβάρα...

noiR
01-05-2006, 01:20
:sleep: :baby: :sleep:

TheRapper
01-05-2006, 03:34
Και προφανως ολοι εχουν αν οχι σιγουρα όλοι οι περισσοτεροι απο τις διακοπές...

welcome back to reality,
welcome home
hello di
!!

(well ....ασε καλυτερα)

και καλο μηνα καλη πρωτομαγια με πολυχρωμα στεφανια ...

********************************
U2 - Beautiful Day

The heart is a bloom, shoots up through the stony ground
But there's no room, no space to rent in this town
You're out of luck and the reason that you had to care,
The traffic is stuck and you're not moving anywhere.
You thought you’d found a friend to take you out of this place
Someone you could lend a hand in return for grace

It's a beautiful day
The sky falls and you feel like it's a beautiful day
Don’t let it get away

You’re on the road but you've got no destination
You’re in the mud, in the maze of her imagination
You love this town even if that doesn't ring true
You’ve been all over and it’s been all over you

It's a beautiful day
Don't let it get away
it's a beautiful day

Touch me, take me to that other place
Teach me, I know I'm not a hopeless case

See the world in green and blue
See China right in front of you
See the canyons broken by cloud
See the tuna fleets clearing the sea out
See the bedouin fires at night
See the oil fields at first light and,
See the bird with a leaf in her mouth
After the flood all the colours came out

It was a beautiful day
Don't let it get away
Beautiful day


Touch me, take me to that other place
Reach me, I know I'm not a hopeless case

What you don't have you don't need it now
What you don't know you can feel it somehow
What you don't have you don't need it now
You don't need it now, you don't need it now

Was a Beautiful day...
********************************
Και ελπιζω μην ειναι μουντη οπως ηταν η χτεσινη...

sweet dreams @
/*RaDioHeAD*\, Bebis, bulletproof, DI tourist, donald, druid, dt008, emufear, floyd21, Forsaken, Herculy, human, Incubus, Iphoster, larry_tsoukou, Link, necki, O Germanos, preacher man, siren, Symos®, Telinformatix, Theio_Vrefos, TheRapper, what??, wiosif, Yggdrasill, zackbam

and sweet dreams @MSN pals and dsm too !!!

:wavey: :tounge: :cool:

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

emufear
01-05-2006, 04:49
Σε γνώρισα στο ΙΚΑ, στην ουρά μπροστά σ' είχα για τον οδοντογιατρό
Τα χρόνια σου 16, μα είχες ξεπετάξει ολόκληρο τον Κολωνό
Σου έκλεισα το μάτι, μα 'συ ζητούσες κάτι να διώξεις τον πονόδοντο
Ξέχασα τ' όνομα μου, στο ξάφνου γύρισμα σου, μου 'δωσες φιλί γλυκό

Αχ Ευλαμπία, η ασθένεια σου έγινε χρονία
Αχ Ευλαμπία, εγώ θα ψάξω να σου βρω γιατρό

Σε κάποιο μαγειρείο μερίδες πήρα δύο και μου 'πες τα πληρώνω εγώ
Με πήγες στα κλαρίνα, νταγκλάδες και τσαλίμια και ήσουν πρώτη στο χορό
Την πάτησα μαζί σου, την γλύκα, το φιλί σου τρελάθηκα και δεν μπορώ
Θα ψάξω για κουμπάρο, μου λείπει το κολάρο, καλό κουστούμι που θα 'βρω;

Αχ Ευλαμπία, η ασθένειά σου κόλλησε και 'μενα
Αχ Ευλαμπία, αντίδοτο να 'δούμε πού θα 'βρω

Φόρεσα τα καλά μου, το είπα στο μπαμπά μου, πήρα φόρα για να 'ρθω
Στο σπίτι σου απ' έξω είμαι και περιμένω μα μέσα δεν μπορώ να 'μπω
Το σκέφτομαι λιγάκι, κουμπώνω το σακάκι και το κουδούνι σου χτυπώ
Μου ανοίγει η μαμά σου, φωνάζει το μπαμπά σου, μου λένε πως δεν είσαι 'δω

Πού 'σαι Ευλαμπία;
Αχ Ευλαμπία, η ασθένεια σου έγινε χρονία
Αχ Ευλαμπία, εγώ θα ψάξω να σου βρω γιατρό

THE_RIDDLE
01-05-2006, 04:52
A ρε ποσο βλακες ειναι μερικοι...
Καλα για το ποσο ηλιθιες ειναι μερικες δεν το συζητω...
Καταραμενο Λυκειο, οι παλιες συναντησεις σου χαλανε το κεφι μερικες φορες:angryfire :angryfire :mad: :mad:

Tythora
01-05-2006, 05:08
Εγραψες Emufear!!
Αν μου θυμισεις και πως το λενε το παλικαρι που το τραγουδαει.....
Αυτος ο "Νοσταλγος του rock 'n roll"!!!


Καληνυχτα!!
Και αν δεν παει ο βοηθος της Γρηγοριαδου στον Mozilla, θα παει ο Mozilla σ'αυτον! ;-)

"Κι όσα δεν έγιναν μη τρεχεις να προλαβεις,
αφου δεν μπορεσες ποτε να καταλαβεις
πως ησουν παντα απο την αρχη μεχρι το τελος
εσυ η ασπιδα μου,το τοξο και το βελος"

emufear
01-05-2006, 05:18
Γιάννης Γιοκαρίνης, θεός :-) :-) :-) :-)

Στείλε μου τον Πασχαλίδη αύριο.. :p

//το 'χωσα στο DC++ τελικά, νύχτες..

Deep_Floyd
01-05-2006, 05:21
Πόσο πολύ, πόσο πολύ,
πόσο πολύ σ' αγάπησα
πόσο πολύ σ' αγάπησα
ποτέ δε θα το μάθεις
Απ' τη ζωή, απ' τη ζωή,
απ' τη ζωή μου πέρασες
κι αλάργεψες κι εχάθης
καθώς τα διαβατάρικα
κι αγύριστα πουλιά

Πόσο πολύ σ' αγάπησα,
ποτέ δε θα το μάθεις

Κι αν δεν προσμένεις να με δεις
κι αν δεν προσμένεις να με δεις
Κι εγώ πως θα ξανάρθεις,
εσύ του πρώτου ονείρου μου
γλυκύτατη πνοή

Αιώνια θα το τραγουδώ,
αιώνια θα το τραγουδώ
κι εσύ δε θα το μάθεις,
πως οι στιγμές που μου 'δωσες
αξίζουν μια ζωή

Πόσο πολύ σ' αγάπησα,
ποτέ δε θα το μάθεις...


Αφιερωμένο...

Καλημέρες...!!! :wavey:

SuperManth
01-05-2006, 07:10
Πάμε καλημέρααααΑΑΑΑαααΑαΑΑΑ μετά από πολύυυ καιρό!

TheRapper
02-05-2006, 02:52
@druid, manathan, cl415, koumpi, O Germanos, emufear, areti, Tythora, unseen, ephemeral, Leonardo, Alan Don, metalas, toubaliban, roumdic, siren, sven12, Swordbrother, EvaS, nightcrawler, human,

c u @di

areti tha eimai pros to mesimeri di ok ...



:tounge: :wavey: :cool:
:sleep: :sleep:

emufear
02-05-2006, 02:58
Back to school... and you know what really grinds my gears? Deadlines. FUCK DEADLINES.

Dj Cool - T
02-05-2006, 03:02
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
Back to school... and you know what really grinds my gears? Deadlines. FUCK DEADLINES.
xAXaXaXaXXaxxaXAXaXa :p :p :p

do you know what really grinds MY gears?

EVERWOOD!!!!
eidame simera mia tainia pou pou arhika fovomastan mipos einai to "Evverwood The Movie"... Elege apekso "tragika gay koinoniki tainia stin opoia otidipote provlepomeno kai koinotopo perimeneta na symvei... tha symvei!!!"
telika omos itan apla patata :p (horis na einai gay!!)

ade kalinihta se olous ;-) :wavey: :wavey:

larry_tsoukou
02-05-2006, 03:22
Μη με ξυπνατε αυριο...!!!δεν θελω diiiiiiii :baby:

DI tourist
02-05-2006, 04:10
Αυθεντικό μήνυμα εστάλη από emufear
... and you know what really grinds my gears? Deadlines. FUCK DEADLINES.

Peter Griffin Θεος!!!! :D :D :D :D

Αντε καληνυχτα και επιτελους απο αυριο DI να ξαναφτιαξουν τα ωραρια μας!!!

Btw δειτε οπωσδηποτε Joey η σειρα ΤΑ ΣΠΑΕΙ... και δεν εινα gay οπως το Everwood!!! :p

see_you@di.uoa.gr :sleep: :wavey:

/*RaDioHeAD*\
02-05-2006, 04:41
Καληνυχτα σε ολους!! :wavey:

Σας χαιρετω με το κολλημα της τελευταιας περιοδου.... Respect και παλι RESPECT στα παλικαρια!!!



"Muse - Butterflies And Hurricanes"

Change,
everything you are
and everything you were
Your number has been called
Fights and battles have begun
Revenge will surely come
Your hard times are ahead

Best,
You've got to be the best
You've got to change the world
and you use this chance to be heard
Your time is now

Don't,
let yourself down
Don't let yourself go
Your last chance has arrived

noiR
03-05-2006, 02:55
Oh, I'm gonna be my baby, baby
Baby, but you see
My momma said
My momma said
My momma said to me
"My son I see the sunset lies
About a baby bee."
So if you see me
I'll be standing
Out on ole Broadway
Amused, abused, but not confused
I'm making my own way
Straight to the top
I'll never stop
I'll die before my day (http://www.residents.com/)
--------------------------------------------------------
:sleep: :sleep:

Dj Cool - T
03-05-2006, 03:05
Youre no good for me
I dont need nobody
Dont need no-one
Thats no good for me



gnight :wavey: :wavey:

thanatitsa
03-05-2006, 03:07
Elle a des yeux qui voient la mer
A travers la pluie qui descend
Elle fait des r&#234;ves o&#249; elle se perd
Entre les grands nuages blancs
Elle ne sait plus le jour ni l'heure
Elle a des larmes au fond du cœur
Qui lui font peur

Oh ! mon amour &#233;coute-moi
D&#233;j&#224; la vie t'attends l&#224;-bas
Non n'ai pas peur il faut me croire
La vie est belle m&#234;me sans m&#233;moire
Tu sais je te raconterai
Avec le temps tu comprendras
Elle n'entend pas ce que je dis
Et sa main dans ma main s'endort
Je voudrais &#234;tre ce pays
O&#249; elle s'en va chercher encore
Dans le miroir de son pass&#233;
Ce r&#234;ve qui s'&#233;tait bris&#233;
Un soir d'&#233;t&#233;

Oh ! mon amour &#233;coute-moi
Un autre monde t'attend l&#224;-bas
Non n'ai pas peur il faut me croire
La vie est belle et notre histoire
Peut continuer quand tu voudras
Et tout sera comme autrefois

Oh ! mon amour ouvre ton cœur
Tu m'entendras
Pardonne le mal que je t'ai fait
Je ne te quitterai plus jamais
Oui mets ta main dans mes cheveux
Je vois des soleils dans tes yeux



Καληνυχτεεεεεεεες!!

emufear
03-05-2006, 03:17
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

TheRapper
04-05-2006, 01:53
********************************
Love in an Elevator – Aerosmith

Blondie super duper wow doll:
- ,2nd floor … hardware, children-wear, ladies lingerie… Ohhh good morning Mr Tyler
…going down !!(?)
Tyler: xa xa xxaee……………..!!

Yeah……!!

Workin' like a dog for the boss man (whoa)
workin' for the company (whoa-yeah)
bettin' on the dice I'm tossin' (whoa)
I'm gonna have a fantasy (whoa-yeah)
where am I gonna look?
they tell me that love is blind
I really need a girl like an open book
to read between the lines

love in an elevator
livin' it up when I'm going down
love in an elevator
lovin' it up 'til I hit the ground

Jackie's in the elevator (whoa)
lingerie second floor (whoa yeah)
she said can I see you later (whoa)
and love you just a little more (whoa yeah)
I kinda hope we get stuck
nobody gets out alive
she said I'll show you how to fax in the mailroom honey
and have you home by five

love in an elevator
livin' it up when I'm going down
love in an elevator
lovin' it up 'til I hit the ground

in the air, in the air
honey one more time now it ain't fair
love in an elevator
lovin' it up when i'm going doooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwn!!!!
(Solo)

love in ………….
elevaaaatooooooooooooooooooooooooooor!!!
(Solo)
going doooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwn!!!!!
(Solo)
love in an elevator
lovin' it up when I'm going down
love in an elevator
livin' it up 'til I hit the ground

gonna be a penthouse pauper (whoa)
gonna be a millionaire (whoa yeah!!)
gonna be a real fast talker (whoa)
and have me a love affair (whoa Yeah!!)
gotta get my timing right (whoooa)
it's a test that I got to pass (whoa yeah!!)
I'll chase you all the way to the stairway honey (whoa)
kiss your sassafrass !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

love in an elevator
lovin' it up when I'm going down
love in an elevator
livin' it up 'til I hit the ground
in the air, in the air
honey one more time now it ain't fair
love in an elevator
lovin' it up when I'm going down
in the air, in the air
honey one more time now it ain't fair
(repeat till fade…)…………

in the air, in the air, in the air!!!
love in an elevator
lovin' it up when I'm going doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooown!!!!
******************************

sweet dreams..

xexexeeeeeeeeeee

:D :cool: ;-) :tounge:
:sleep:

human
04-05-2006, 02:37
through dreams i obtain the ability to connect sight with sound
καληνυχτα απανταχου di τες